External backup solution - help

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I currently have 2 x 160Gb drives in my G5. One is my boot drive, which holds everything and the other drive i clone using CCC when i feel the need to.
I have just started editing DV movies using iMovie and storage is becoming a problem. i want to purchase some new drives to sort out my system and still a backup when i want to, or use the schedule fuction in CCC.
I believe i am correct in thinking i should have one drive for my system and programs the other for my data (documents, movies folder,iTunes lib etc)?
I am thinking of buying another 2 external firewire drives or an enclosure to hold 2+ drives in. I would use one of these external drives for my raw DV and a scrach disk for PS CS.
Am i on the right lines here? What would be the best way of backing up all these drives so i can still boot if my system drive goes down and i have backups of all my data?
It seems the best solution would be to replace the 2 x internal drives with bigger ones (250Gb) then use the 2 original 160Gb drives in the external FW enclosure.
I am also thinking of upgrading to Tiger before i do this.
Any advise would be great,
Thanks.
Rob

I currently have 2 x 160Gb drives in my G5. One is my boot drive, which holds everything and the other drive i clone using CCC when i feel the need to.
Good your cloning your boot drive. The problem is your cloning to another internal drive, so your tying up a very fast interface with a clone that you hardly access. It would be best to have the clone of your boot drive on a external drive and keep it disconnected. This way if you get hacked or your machine gets fried at least a copy of your boot drive is safe.
I don't agree with partitioning a drive with apps, boot, files seperate, this was for the OS 9 days with no auto-defragmentation. Now it's a performance problem.
I keep nothing in my spare space on my boot, rather having it for expansion of the OS/apps or a temporary holding area. Running up against the limit of a partition is about the worst thing possible.
I have just started editing DV movies using iMovie and storage is becoming a problem. i want to purchase some new drives to sort out my system and still a backup when i want to, or use the schedule function in CCC.
You should check out (search Apple) for DejaVu, it's a System Preference Pane that will auto-clone and auto-backup even when your logged out. Very simple, select the folder/drive, set the time and select the destination.
I believe i am correct in thinking i should have one drive for my system and programs the other for my data (documents, movies folder,iTunes lib etc)?
Yes this is a substantial performance option, you keep a OS/boot/"bare bones" home drive (w/iTunes music) kept below 50% filled and then keep your space hogging files like documents, pictures and (especially) movies in NEW folders on the second internal drive.
This way the boot drive stays optimized, it stays below 50% filled as anything more starts to affect performance. Since iTunes constantly accesses the drive with small files in a random fashion (music shuffle), it's best to keep these files on the boot drive which the OS also accesses the drive the same way. The object is to keep the hard drives arm traveling in a small tight area. Since drives write data from the outside edges of the platters working inwards, for performance a boot drive should be comprised of a lot of little files randomly accessed.
With files drives they tend to read large data, the arm moves and the file is read in one big swoop. So one can fill these up, but still performance will start to suffer after 50%. Hard drive caches only help with writes under 16MB. Anything more than that or reads, depends upon the mechanical performance of the arm moving the heads across the platters. Which is the performance bottleneck.
Now faster spinning platters and faster moving arms do help considerably with performance. If you install a 150GB 10,000 Western Digital Raptor as a boot drive you'll see the performance difference right away.
Large 7,200 RPM drives more than 50% filled as boot drives are a performance nightmare. So many people complain their "Quad" is slow and the biggest cause is people buy these huge drives for boot, taking large storage space over performance. Apple should provide a Raptor as a boot drive as a BTO option, but of course a slower machine will make you want to upgrade sooner.
When you have your files on the file drive it can be read at the same time as the OS drive. Which adds another performance benefit.
I am thinking of buying another 2 external firewire drives or an enclosure to hold 2+ drives in. I would use one of these external drives for my raw DV and a scratch disk for PS CS.
Ok if you upgrade to CS2 the 2GB memory limit for Photoshop is overridden, so you most likely won't need a "scratch disk", work in RAM is 40% faster than a drive.
Am i on the right lines here? What would be the best way of backing up all these drives so i can still boot if my system drive goes down and i have backups of all my data?
It seems the best solution would be to replace the 2 x internal drives with bigger ones (250Gb) then use the 2 original 160Gb drives in the external FW enclosure.
Your on the right track, but a larger boot drive will slow your computers performance.
My suggestion is to do this:
1: Buy Tiger and iLife '06 (it's not included)
2: Buy a Firmteck 4 ports in/4 ports out SATA PCI card.
3: Buy a 150 GB 10,000 RPM Raptor
4: Buy a Lacie 250 GB Firewire 800/400 external drive.
5: Buy a four drive external SATA enclosure.
6: Buy 2-4 internal SATA drives for the enclosure.
C boot from the Tiger install disk and select Disk Utility>Erase w/Zero the Lacie and format HFS+ (journaled) and install Tiger on that, setup using the same name as your Panther drive. Do not use Migration Assistant!
Option boot from your Lacie/Tiger and visit all your drive makers sites and download any driver updates so Tiger will work with your other drives. Run them when you connect a drive.
Install the FirmTech card in your PCI slot. Supposedly slot 2 and 3 are shared, so perhaps you should use slot 4. This card is going to get a lot of work.
Remove your internal hard drives and install the Raptor connecting the SATA to the Firmteck internal port. This is important because WD drives have improved SATA specs and the G5's don't. Reboot from the LaCie and run Disk Utility Erase w/Zero on the Raptor. Run any Firmtec software if you need too.
Use Carbon Copy Cloner (Tiger version!) to clone your LaCie to the Raptor. Disconnect the LaCie and reboot from the Raptor and repair permissions.
Ok now your up on the Raptor, install your apps from original disks/sources, cherry pick certain apps from the Panther drive. Take this time to clean house. If you screw up, simply reverse clone from the LaCie and start over.
Replace your iTunes folder in the same exact spot (pathname) on the Tiger/Raptor drive as it was on the Panther drive. Rename the Panther drive and set the name of the Tiger/Raptor drive to the original name of the Panther drive. This way your iTunes playlists should be preserved as the playlists contain the pathnames to the songs. If not you'll have to edit your iTunes XML file with "find/replace".
Grab your Library/Mail your Library/Safari bookmarks from the Panther drive.
Once you cleaned out the Panther drive, clone the Tiger/Raptor to the LaCie for safekeeping and Erase w/Zero the Panther drive. It will now become your file drive, keep your drive hogging stuff here that you use over time.
Now onto your external enclosure, you can place the extra SATA internal drive in here, or keep it as a third clone f your boot drive.
Place what SATA drives you want into the 4 bay enclosure, connecting one drive to one port on the outside of the FirmTec card. Erase w/Zero as usual each drive.
Now you can set two identical drives in the enclosure as a RAID O set in Apple's Disk Utility, this would make a excellent "scratch disk" or "working disk" as your speed is greatly improved, especially if you use 10,000 RPM drives.
You can place a huge 7,200 RPM SATA drive in one of the enclosures drive bay for auto-backup of files from the RAID O using the DejaVu software.
RAID O (stripe) can be risky as the data path is split between each drive in the set, lose one drive and all your data on the RAID O is gone.
Don't use "mirror" (RAID 1) for backup because any corruption or accidents get immediatly written to the second drive in the mirror. Use Auto-cloning (for boot drives) or Auto-backup software instead.
So you have a lot of options, with all the drives being used and the LaCie for a clone of your boot drive for emergencies. You'll have a performance working disk if you need it, as well as all around performance of your machine for many years to come.
http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/firmtek/1eve4/
You can also test your drives performance (roughly) using X-Bench

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