External editor file format

I would like to edit photos within Photoshop CS6 from time to time, the originals are all DNG format.
In the export dialog box within prefernces I have two queries:
1. Which file format is best to maintain quality of the photo?
2. What should teh DPI be set to?
Thnak you!
Petre H

Petre,
you are asking about the export pane in the Aperture Preferences panel, right?
What you select there, should depend on the resolution and quality of images you want to export.
All export format are lossless, pick TIFF (8 bit) if you have jepegs with good quality or TIFF (16 bit) if you have high resolution raw images, but this will result in very large files.
If you use Photoshop for graphics composition and want to returen layers to Aperture, use the PSD formats.
The dpi will not really change the quality of the exported image, but will be used when printing the image to compute the dimensions of the image on the paper. Higher dpi will result in a smaller image on the paper, since more pixels will be needed to print one inch of the image.
Regards
Léonie

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