External editor (PS) and metadata

Hello,
I have my iPhoto 5 library sorted by date and for the most part, any albums are also sorted by date. I prefer to keep iPhoto as the default editor because the red eye tool works most of the time and I like being able to see a larger picture when I double-click on a thumbnail. For other editing, I export the photo, edit it in photoshop and then reimport. I save the photo in photoshop format so I can maintain layers, etc, just in case I want to go back later and change something. The problem is that saving as photoshop rewrites any metadata so when I reimport the photo, it gets automatically sorted to the wrong place.
I would like to keep the time/date stamp in the metadata. Any ideas how I can retain that metadata, but still edit outside of iPhoto (ie in Photoshop)?
Steve

I picked at photoshop a bit more and found that the picture files retain metadata of the date shot. The issue then is that iPhoto's sort by date seems to look at the date modified instead of the date shot. This might be more of a feature request than a real question, but is it possible to have iPhoto organize it's library by date shot, then by date modified (for non-date-shot date embedded photos)?

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