External firewire as boot drive
I plan to add an external firewire drive to my 466 SE Graphite (10.4.6) as an alternative to the apparently labor-intensive process of replacing its original internal 10GB drive. Then I'll clone the iBook drive to the external with SuperDuper. The external drive I'm looking at is 160GB, 7200rpm with an 8mb data buffer. Which leads to my question:
When booted to the cloned drive, will I notice any kind of performance increase w/Tiger based on the superior specs of the external? If so, wouldn't it be feasible to operate the iBook while booted to the external on a full-time basis?
Just curious to know your opinions/experience. I suppose I'll know the answer myself soon enough.
Thanks!
2.0 DP G5 Mac OS X (10.4.6) iBook 466 SE Graphite (576MB)
Hello,
The external FireWire drive would be slower than a comparable drive installed internally.
But, the drive inside your iBook right now is going to be either 4200 R.P.M. or 5400 R.P.M. and a bit slower by design.
So, you will see a very noticeable improvement with an external FireWire drive in terms of performance.
I know my external 7200 R.P.M. Hitachi DeskStar FireWire drive is faster to operate from than my built-in 5400 R.P.M. drive in my Mac Mini G4.
The programs open much faster if I use the external FireWire drive as my primary drive.
I would expect you to see similar improvements doing the same with your system.
And, yes, it is perfectly feasible to use the drive as your primary drive.
For the record, my external drive is an Other World Computing "Neptune" 120 GB drive. The actual mechanism is a Hitachi DeskStar 7200 R.P.M. 120 GB drive with a 2 MB cache.
I hope this helps.
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VinceHi there:
An external FireWire enclosed hard disk drive (boot-capable FireWire - not all are able to do this
due to some differences in the chipset which controls data flow in the enclosure.) With an external
power supply, and an installed hard disk drive probably larger than 250GB, a buffer of at least
16MB, and a spin rate of 7200 RPM should do the job. To avoid WD brand internal hard drives
may be an advised choice to save you concerns later on. Some people like them, but there are
more compatible choices in Seagate, Maxtor, Hitachi/IBM, and a few others. - Western Digital is
not high on my list of replacement boot disks.
As to the brand of the enclosure, you may have to consider some of the Mac-friendly vendors
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you someday chose to have this external drive (outside of the FireWire enclosure) put into
the iMac G4 17" to replace the worn-out one, this drive should match those of the original's
size (shape) specifications to physically fit; & it cannot be an SATA-type drive. PATA or ATA
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An external enclosure with an SATA drive could work, solely as an external; but you could
save a bit of time by having a drive on hand just in case you find opportunity to actually fix
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The cost to get into the iMac G4 to change the clock battery, is almost the same as having
someone go inside and replace the hard disk drive. Only the parts differ in cost; plus a bit
for the time. The big chunk of time is knowingly attending to details, such as thermo paste
and torquing screws, cleaning dust out, and putting it together correctly.
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Need User Name and Password for External Firewire new hard drive
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The internal drive died so I bought a new 500GB drive and installed it in the external enclosure and moved the former external drive inside the G4.
I again used CCC to copy the system and user files to the new 500GB drive.However, I only gave it one 465.8GB partition. I cannot make the external drive complete the boot process. It stops and demands a user name and a password. I've not been able to supply ones which work.
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I do have an Install DVD for Tiger 10.4 (bought from Apple) and have been able to use that to go back and change the root or administrator password and the User password on the computer. That has not solved my problem.
I have read about 25 pages of this forum and not seen any posts that referred to password problems with only the external hard drive. But I've seen some very knowledgeable answers to other people's posts.
Please help.
GilGenerally, when Mac OS X is asking you for a username and password, it is when you are doing something that requires an Administrator password, such as repairing a hard drive's Directory or making major changes to quasi-System things.
So Carbon Copy Cloner and Disk Utility are likely asking for an Administrator user_id and password. It will not take a simple carriage return as an answer -- the operation will not complete without that Admin authorization.
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remember people reporting problems with back in the
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USB/FW combo card only). FWIW, I have a RATOC
PCIFU1P combo card (2 USB ports, 2 FireWire ports)
and I have been using it for many, many years in my
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have USB and FW options available (iPods, digital
cameras, etc) so this is a better investment than
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cards:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/firewire/Firewirecomboca
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I took my MacBook Pro in for repairs and erased the drive for safety AFTER having copied the entire contents to an external firewire 800 drive using SuperDuper!
The copy process made the disk bootable and I was able to boot up my iMac and run it just as if I were working on my MacBook Pro. After a couple of times working this way, the iMac stopped booting from my drive.
The drive shows up when starting up by pressing the option key but then, after a long time, the iMac shows a circle/slash symbol as if it can't find the system files.
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Since this happened with a Seagat drive - a brand that has failed me in the past many times - I thought it was a disk problem. I had backed up my MacBook pro contents to another Toshiba drive, and booted from there perfectly well for a couple of times...
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What gives???
- MerlinCreativeYou need to reinstall Snow Leopard onto the external drive:
Reinstall OS X without erasing the drive
Do the following:
1. Repair the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your Snow Leopard Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu. After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior and/or Tech Tool Pro to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
2. Reinstall Snow Leopard
If the drive is OK then quit DU and return to the installer. Proceed with reinstalling OS X. Note that the Snow Leopard installer will not erase your drive or disturb your files. After installing a fresh copy of OS X the installer will move your Home folder, third-party applications, support items, and network preferences into the newly installed system.
Download and install the Combo Updater for the version you prefer from support.apple.com/downloads/. -
External Firewire drives power up, but won't mount.
I wanted to see if anyone else is having this problem. I recently upgraded my mom's laptop to OSX Lion after she experienced a lot of problems with Snow Leopard. All updates available from Software Update have been installed. Now 2 issues have arisen after the new install: 1) the FW 800 and 400 ports appear to be non-functional, and 2) the OS takes about 10 minutes to boot up to the desktop.
1) Regarding the FW ports: I have a couple external Firewire 800 hard drives that I use on other Macs so I know they're fully operational and mount without any issues. They're both 5400RPM drives that have been inserted into Macally external enclosures, and are of different capacities - one is 320GB and the other is 500GB. The enclosures offer FW 800, 400, USB 2.0 and mini-USB connectivity. But after upgrading the laptop I mentioned, neither of the drives will mount when using the FW 800 or 400 cables. They power up but won't mount, and they don't show up in the list in Disk Utility. However, the drives will power up and mount via USB.
I realize the laptop may have a hardware/port problem - but both 800 and 400 ports? Seems unlikely.
2) Any idea why it's taking the OS 10 minutes to boot up? I've shut down the laptop and rebooted it twice since the OS install, and both times took 10 minutes.
I may just install Lion on one of the hard drives, pull it and then pop it into the laptop to see if that makes any difference. Before I do that, can anyone recommend a hardware utility that can check the ports?
I welcome your suggestions.
Thank you.Thanks for responding. Here's the info you requested. I'm not a systems guy so hopefully I've pasted in something that helps.
system.log report, after searching BOOT_TIME, here's one of the timestamps:
May 25 22:04:58 localhost bootlog[0]: BOOT_TIME 1337997898 0
Here's a chunk of the log after that timestamp:
May 25 22:05:00 localhost com.apple.launchd[1]: *** launchd[1] has started up. ***
May 25 22:05:13 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.powerd): Unknown value for key POSIXSpawnType: Interactive
May 25 22:05:13 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.sandboxd): Unknown value for key POSIXSpawnType: Interactive
May 25 22:05:18 localhost com.apple.pfctl[34]: No ALTQ support in kernel
May 25 22:05:18 localhost com.apple.pfctl[34]: ALTQ related functions disabled
May 25 22:05:18 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: starting CaptiveNetworkSupport as SystemEventAgent built May 25 2011 12:27:35
May 25 22:05:18 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptiveSCCopyWiFiDevices:388 WiFi Device Name == NULL
May 25 22:05:19 localhost com.apple.ucupdate.plist[28]: ucupdate: Checked 1 update, no match found.
May 25 22:06:14 localhost configd[14]: InterfaceNamer: timed out waiting for IOKit to quiesce
May 25 22:06:14 localhost configd[14]: Busy services :
May 25 22:06:14 localhost configd[14]: MacBookPro3,1 [76967, 4375662836 ms]
May 25 22:06:15 localhost mDNSResponder[37]: mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-320.16 (Mar 17 2012 21:31:16) starting OSXVers 11
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: ERROR,Time,359690775.485,Function,"_Apple80211* CLWifiService::createApple80211()",Apple80211GetIfListCopy failed, error -3903 (Unknown error: -3903)
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,1 locationd 0x00000001077fe583 locationd + 624003
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,2 locationd 0x00000001077fe719 locationd + 624409
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,3 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff85f46c79 _dispatch_barrier_sync_f_invoke + 33
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,4 locationd 0x00000001077fe9b0 locationd + 625072
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,5 locationd 0x00000001077fea10 locationd + 625168
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,6 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff85e96e06 pthread_once + 86
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,7 locationd 0x00000001077fea47 locationd + 625223
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,8 locationd 0x00000001077f33ac locationd + 578476
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,9 locationd 0x00000001077f353f locationd + 578879
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,10 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff85e96e06 pthread_once + 86
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,11 locationd 0x00000001077f3509 locationd + 578825
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,12 locationd 0x00000001077b052a locationd + 304426
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,13 locationd 0x0000000107791653 locationd + 177747
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,14 locationd 0x0000000107791a08 locationd + 178696
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,15 locationd 0x00000001077921b2 locationd + 180658
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,16 locationd 0x00000001077c332c locationd + 381740
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,17 locationd 0x0000000107767fd8 locationd + 8152
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.locationd[40]: STACK,Time,359690775.485,18 ??? 0x0000000000000001 0x0 + 1
May 25 22:06:15 localhost com.apple.usbmuxd[27]: usbmuxd-268.5 on Jan 5 2012 at 03:34:01, running 64 bit
May 25 22:06:15 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptiveSCCopyWiFiDevices:388 WiFi Device Name == NULL
May 25 22:06:15 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: ServermgrdRegistration cannot load config data
May 25 22:06:15 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: get_backup_share_points no AFP
May 25 22:06:15 localhost systemkeychain[59]: done file: /var/run/systemkeychaincheck.done
May 25 22:06:15 localhost configd[14]: ioctl(SIOCGIFCAP) failed: Device not configured
May 25 22:06:16: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
May 25 22:06:16 localhost mDNSResponder[37]: D2D_IPC: Loaded
May 25 22:06:16 localhost mDNSResponder[37]: D2DInitialize succeeded
If you want me to post the kernal log, I can do that next if nothing in here points anyone in the right direction. FYI - the system booted normally this morning after shutting it down overnight. -
The very first thing the Installation routine for my Mac OSX Install CDs tells me to do is "We're going to re-boot now..."
Confirming I will not do ANYTHING to my MacBookPRO's hard drive - and that I will be given an option to install to my external drive after this re-boot, correct?
And the discs are from when I purchased my laptop last year. How does one update/maintain this Firewire backup/boot drive copy of OSX?
Many thanks.clint:
OK, that's a lot clearer.
May I ask what the point would be if you have a second installation of the OS on a second partition of the same HDD? If you are concerned about OS corruption, you have the original and you have a backup, and you have the install disk.
If you are concerned that your backup drive might fail, or both the internal and HDD might become corrupted/damaged the best strategy would be to have a second backup on a separate HDD, which you might keep off-site.
Now, in terms of your question, then, exactly what is going on when you try to install to the second partition?
You may already have seen this, but Dr. Smoke has some useful advice in his FAQ Backup and Recovery. The only problem I have with his advice is that he insists on Retrospect, which is not only clumsy and difficult to use, but unreliable. SuperDuper is the best there is out there.
Please post back with update.
Good luck.
cornelius
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Upgrading from Tiger to Leopard on and external (FireWire) drive...
Hi all,
I'm pretty sure this has been discussed somewhere on the www but after several hours of research, I'm embarrassed to admit I'm ready to call it quits (unless someone more tech savvy than I can help <:o)
I've been running my OS on a WD 500GB FireWire for the past couple of years. Switched to it shortly after realizing that the 80GB HD on my MacBook was insufficient for my needs.
Now I'm getting ready to upgrade from Tiger to Leopard and I've got some issues. Most importantly, when I launch the installer and it requires me to restart my system, I do so through both methods (holding down the "option" key to start up using the external HD and also by just allowing a normal boot under the old drive). In neither situation do I ever get the option to select where I'd like to install the new OS. In fact, when I allow the normal start without the "option" key being pressed, I don't even get to see the option to begin an installation. When I hold down the "option" key, I get the Mac OS X Install DVD screen (directory on the DVD), but it never gets to the point where I can start the installation.
I'm at a loss and getting a little frustrated (which has been my problem since I started with Macs--been a long time PC user and I'm always looking for the difficult way of doing things--so I'm probably just being PC-stupid as usual >;o)
Any assistance with getting me on the path to continued righteousness would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much in advance!
Ali T. Borahan
http://www.alisails.com
PS: Despite the fact that I'm PC-literate and Mac-stupid, I've managed to convince almost a dozen people to switch to Mac, simply because I'm hooked and love how the Mac community sticks together and helps one another (and also because I can't stand the Microsoft kingdom!!! <:o)Insert the Leopard DVD in the optical drive and restart the computer. After the chime press and hold down the "C" key until the dark gray Apple logo appears on the screen. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button.
When the menubar appears select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu. After DU loads select your startup drive's entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.0 for Tiger, and 4.1 for Leopard) and/or TechTool Pro (4.6.1 for Leopard) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
Continue with the installation process until you reach the point where you must select a Target drive. Select your Target drive then click on the Options button in the lower left corner of the dialog.
Select the Archive and Install option.
An Archive and Install will NOT erase your hard drive, but you must have sufficient free space for a second OS X installation which could be from 3-9 GBs depending upon the version of OS X and selected installation options. The free space requirement is over and above normal free space requirements which should be at least 6-10 GBs. Read all the linked references carefully before proceeding.
Your target drive must have repaired OK when you repaired it. Otherwise do not continue.
You have an option to preserve users and network preferences. Only select this option if you are sure you have no corrupted files in your user accounts. Otherwise leave this option unchecked. Click on the OK button and continue with the OS X Installation.
Upon completion of the Archive and Install you will have a Previous System Folder in the root directory. You should retain the PSF until you are sure you do not need to manually transfer any items from the PSF to your newly installed system.
After moving any items you want to keep from the PSF you should delete it. You can back it up if you prefer, but you must delete it from the hard drive.
You can now download a Combo Updater directly from Apple's download site to update your new system to the desired version as well as install any security or other updates. You can also do this using Software Update. -
How can I upgrade my Mac G5's boot drive?
Hi,
I have a PowerMac G5 running 10.5.8... and just bought a new internal 1TB SATA I would like use as my new boot drive.
What's the most simple method to do so?
I have a copy of Data Rescue 3 that has a "clone" feature -- which I tried. It worked, but the new drive's system partition map is reduced to the size of the old (smaller) drive. I used Disk Utility to try to increase the volume scheme up to the new capacity, but it gives me an error saying "MediaKit reports partition (map) to small." and won't increase the size.
Suggestions?
Thanks,
CarlI have no idea what you've done with Data Rescue, but it isn't a system clone. Here's what you need to do:
A. Prep the new drive:
1. Open Disk Utility in your Utilities folder.
2. After DU loads select your hard drive (this is the entry with the mfgr.'s ID and size) from the left side list. Note the SMART status of the drive in DU's status area. If it does not say "Verified" then the drive is failing or has failed and will need replacing. SMART info will not be reported on external drives. Otherwise, click on the Partition tab in the DU main window.
3. Under the Volume Scheme heading set the number of partitions from the drop down menu to one. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled.) Click on the Options button, set the partition scheme to GUID (for Intel Macs) or APM (for PPC Macs) then click on the OK button. Click on the Partition button and wait until the process has completed.
B. Repair the Old Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu. After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior and/or Tech Tool Pro to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
C. Clone using Restore Option of Disk Utility
1. Select the destination volume from the left side list.
2. Click on the Restore tab in the DU main window.
3. Select the destination volume from the left side list and drag it to the Destination entry field.
4. Select the source volume from the left side list and drag it to the Source entry field.
5. Double-check you got it right, then click on the Restore button.
Destination means the new hard drive.
Source means the old boot drive.
Last, use Startup Disk preferences to select the new drive as the permanent startup drive, then click on the Restart button. -
Sorry to double post but, had this in the wrong section.
Hello, fellow G4'ers.
Mine is G4 MDD 867 Dual CPU and has a giga 1.4 CPU upgrade, 1.75 GB RAM.
ATI 9600 Mac OS X (10.4.11). 400W PS
Still runs well enough for my purposes.. besides drives are pretty cheap these days, so why not.
I Have 3 drives total now. 2 are Internal, 1 is External (FW400).
1 - (original) Boot drive 60 gig (20 GB avail.)
2 - Maxtor 200 gig with 2 partitions,
a) 40 GB partition w/ 40 GB avail. and
b) 160 GB partition w/ 90 GB avail.
I also have a 250 gig FireWire External (bootable) drive that has a cloned, used CarbonCopyCloner,
backup of the main boot drive and still has ~ 180 GB avail.
I only want to replace the original (aging) boot drive BEFORE it goes bad.
I read somewhere here that a separate partition for the system alone, could b a good idea. can anyone confirm this for me ?
I got and installed the 2nd drive myself (Maxtor 200 GB), so I think I can do this.
I need to be sure, as to a plan of attack here (software-wise), and appreciate any input as to a good way to do this.
I'm sure there are a few ways it can be done.
My best guess's are;
1-get the new ATA drive (500 gig drives can be had for under $100) Any hot tips here ???.
(How's this sound "500GB Western Digital Caviar SE16 7200rpm 8.9ms 16MB Cache UltraDMA 100/ATA 5 HD" ?????
2-Check and be sure a good bootable backup of boot drive exists on the External drive.
3-Shut down and physically install the new drive, discard old drive, plugging it into the same place the old one was in. (I guess this is right, but not real sure about this, any jumpers to move/check ??? , ) any other possibilities here ?
Now the variables/my best guesses :
4.a ) Power On, Startup use the (C key), and boot with my Tiger Install disk, and install a fresh Tiger OSX 10.4.xxx system onto the new drive.
QUESTION; Not real sure how to get this updated to 10.4.11 yet, but I think there's a "Combo" that will bring it right up to 10.4.11, but I'll need my internet connection for that.
Perhaps boot with the clone/external and download the update file to disk and install it that way ??? Definitely need some help with this .
4.b ) I could just copy/Clone in reverse from External to the new drive (I should think a clean install would be better here as to not keep any system flaws from my existing system, including that messy stuff that the latest security updates introduced. But, this could work, right ? Perhaps not ? I think I would really like to have a New Clean system as the Original HD may be weak/flawed.
4c ) Perhaps there's a function in Disk Utility that can help with doing all this, Restore? Archive ? whatever ?
OK. That's about where I am here. I'm not really a noobey, but I just never had to do all of this and want to be sure of a good plan before I get started, and don't want to overlook anything.
Thanks very muchGood News here, just to finish up.
I Got a FW external. Cloned boot drive to it (CCC 3.1.2). Did a archive & install on the external clone with Tiger DVD, and updated it to 10.4.11 + all misc updates. Fixed permissions between all phases. Deleted previous sys folder. Rebuild & optimize w/DiskWarrior. Pull old boot drive, install new WD 320 GB, connections were all "Cable-select", no master/slave stuff. Started up with tiger DVD and formated the seen new drive. Booted from external, cloned clean, archived/new SYS to new boot drive. Done.
Only a few small probs. with prefs. here and there, but all back and running fast & smooth and now I even have a regular backup plan to the external. -
Partitioning External Firewire HD Without Erasing
Hey Guys,
I've done some research regarding partitioning and it seems that I can not find a direct answer to this.
I would like to partition a 750 Gig external firewire Seagate hard drive into 2 partitions without erasing any of the current files. The is no OSX system on this hard drive. (Yes, backing up it always a good thing but I was curious if it can be done in the first place). I don't want to place another OSX system on the new partition either.
When using Disk Utility and clicking on the Partition tab, I clicked on the + button which gave me a second partition and I resized it.
*The top partition of the Volume Scheme reads:*
Storage 1
"To erase and partition the selected disk, choose the volume scheme, set options for each volume, and click Apply. To resize the volumes on the selected disk, drag the deviders between them and click Apply."
*This volume will NOT be erased.*
Size: 461.8 GB
Available Space: 227.6 GB
It is also formatted: Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
*The bottom partition of the Volume Scheme reads:*
Storage 1_2
"To erase and partition the selected disk, choose the volume scheme, set options for each volume, and click Apply. To resize the volumes on the selected disk, drag the deviders between them and click Apply."
*A new volume will be created*
Size: 234.4 GB
This will also be formatted: Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
The Hard Drive current info states:
Disk Description : Seagate
Connection Bus : FireWire
Connection Type : External
Connection ID : 906767668999250
Total Capacity : 698.6 GB (750,156,374,016 Bytes)
Write Status : Read/Write
S.M.A.R.T. Status : Not Supported
Partition Map Scheme : Apple Partition Map
Back to my original question.. I've read threads where hard drives were being erased, left, right and center using this Partitioning info. Can this drive be partitioned without erasing any of it and how well does it work?
Thank you..it works exactly as disk utility says. all you had to do was press "apply" this will split your current drive in two with the data on the first partition remaining intact. enter "create new volumes" in disk utility help for details.
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Can I import CD's into iTunes from an external Firewire CD/DVD player?
The CD/DVD player on my iMac G4 broke and just wondering if I can hook up a cheap external Firewire CD/DVD drive (with RW capability) to my iMac and still be able to view DVD's and import CD's into iTunes?
Thanks for any answer to this question.
Thanks,
DaveYes - connect the ext device - open iTunes - load a CD - it shouold appear in the left most column of iTunes under Devices - rip away.
To use that same ext device to burn then go to iTunes prefs>Advanced>Burning and select it from the drop down menu.
MJ
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