External instrument plugin - how-to?

Does anyone know how to do the following using the external instrument plugin to control hardware synths?
1. Bank/Program changes?
2. Sysex?
Do I still need a dedicated midi-track for this? This kind of defeats the purpose with this plugin? It would be great if it was possible for the external instrument plugin to handle these tasks!

Hi Johannes,
I think this SAP help link does explain step by step procedure from the perspective of an administrator as well as a developer the configuration steps for setting up 'External Facing portal'.
[External Facing Portal Implementation|http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/EN/43/86b6bce99d72a7e10000000a11466f/content.htm]
Also setting up 'Anonymous user can be read through - [Setting up Anonymous User|http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04s/helpdata/EN/cd/1aad4abcb98c4597f9e395a6b62f43/frameset.htm]
hope this helps.
Thanks.
Regards,
Shailesh

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No External Instrument Plugin in the List

Hi,
I've searching for a while but can't find any info regarding the External Instrument plugin. The manual says it's supposed to be under Instruments > Logic > External but there it's not there. I'm running DTDM + DAE combination. Would that be a problem?
My external synths bounce OK using DAE StereoInput objects but that way I can only apply TDM inserts to it and no native processing.
Any solution to this?

Promixe, "No External Instrument Plugin in the List" #5, 02:15am Oct 6, 2005 CDT
wonder if there are any stability issues with multiple drivers...
In the manual they do say this:
We strongly recommend that you do not attempt to use more than two audio engines simultaneously within Logic Pro. The strain on the PCI bus will cause too many problems, and will generate a number of DAE error messages.
Your first choice should be DAE in conjunction with DTDM. If necessary, choose DAE and Core Audio.

External Instrument Plugin Needs an update!!

I'd like to see the features of the External Instrument plugin match those of Ableton Live's plugin of the same name.
Ideally, I'd like to route Midi to an individual midi channel of a multi-output software instrument, and receive audio back from one of the same instrument's audio outputs.
This will reduce the need for 2 auxiliary channels: 1 for midi, 1 for audio; and combine everything into one easily automatable channel.
Also, I'd like to see a modern form of routing to sidechain inputs; i.e. directly from a channel's output - again, just like Ableton Live.
+1 if you think this is a good idea.

I would like the External Instrument plugin to receive audio as well as send MIDI.
And it would be good to route the MIDI internally, so as to control Multi-Instruments plugins such as Ultrabeat or Kontakt.
It would also be good if the plugin could receive audio from a Multi-Output instrument, such as the above; and in addition, it could receive audio directly from one of the plugins outputs.
An ideal scenario would be like this:
Load a multiple-stereo-output instance of Kontakt with two instruments; (1) Piano and (2) Organ.
Assign the instruments to MIDI inputs 1 and 2, respectively.
Assign each instrument to stereo outputs 1 and 2, respectively, within Kontakt's interface.
Create a new instrument channel and load an instance of Logic's External Instrument plugin.
From the MIDI output drop-down menu, select 'Kontakt Instrument MIDI 2' (or similar).
NB: All MIDI channels are available; there should be no need to open the library to find MIDI outputs, or to create a new MIDI channel.
There is also an Audio Input drop-down menu: From this select 'Kontakt St Output 2' (or similar).
Now it should be possible to compose MIDI regions on that channel, sending hyper-editor, CC, and note data to inst (2) on the instance of Kontakt, as well as receive audio from the same inst. This will do away with the need for an additional audio channel, and save the arrangement from clutter.

External Instrument Plug-in Bug

Anyone else able to reproduce this bug in the External Instrument Plug-in with Logic X?
1. Create External MIDI track using External Instrument Plug-in
2. Save project & quit Logic X.
3. Reopen Project
4. Now the External MIDI track is triggering a different MIDI Destination port to the one that was originally assigned (but is still labelled as the originally assigned MIDI Destination port in the External Instrument Plug-in
5. Toggle MIDI Destination to nothing, then back to originally assigned MIDI port. It will once again function correctly
6. This behaviour will repeat every time the project is reopened for all External MIDI tracks
Please note this behaviour does NOT occur on the LEGACY External Instrument Plug-in from Logic 9.
I'm using a MOTU micro lite MIDI interface.
Yes, I've submitted my report to Logic Pro Feedback

Hi Peter,
the audio INs can be renamed under I/O Labels ... says theory. My Logic X (now Under Maverics) simply crashes when I try to open the I/O label menu.
As for External MIDI instruments, after the project restart the problem perceives. It always map the external instrument (configuration saved as a Logic X preset) to first MIDI OUT port available in the list. So I have to open all external instruments plugins and manually switch the preset to the device used for the track. Funny is that when the external instrument is opened the External instruments preset name and audio INs are correct, but the MIDI destination is always assigned to MIDI port 1. So I have to open External instruments library, select the correct preset (same as opened on screen) and it switches the correct MIDI Out ports.
I think that there might be a problem with the previous Logic 9 configuration files that Logic X incorporated. Maybe something should be deleted and clearly installed. If anybody knows which file contains the I/O and MIDI information and might be deleted helps.
Tom

External Instrument problem, in serious need of help!!??

Dear all,
I have a really big problem... I can't get the external instrument plugin to work properly.
My setup is mostly below, but I wish I could post a diagram. Here's what's going on.
I have my PB, my X-Station, my CME UF5 and my M-Audio midisport 2x2
Connected to my PB are: FirePod by FW, Dongle by USB and Midi2x2 by USB
The outs of my X-Station are going in to the Pod, and Logic sees input using the external plugin telling it to get input from ins 3-4, and I can hear it. Great.
On the transport it shows midi in from my UF5 (controller keyboard) and plays its internal instruments fine.
What I need to be able to do, through this setup is have my X-Station working from midi respones through Logic. I can plug my UF5 straight in, and I get it to play. What I want to be able to do is play my UF5 or have a pre-recorded midi part play the X-Station. I can hear sound from it and all.
My problem is is getting midi TO the X-Station from within Logic, and in the section where one should be able to select ports/hardware etc in the external plugin, I cannot see my midisport whose out is connected to the X-station. I ought to be able to play it from Logic with, for example, the caps keys. I know this is possible, unless it is impossible with my midisport, but I was under the impression that it would. I just need to see its outs to assign in the external plugin...
I hope I have made sense, much appreciated guys, I know I must have overlooked something. Maybe someone with fresher eyes (and an imagination, knowing myself) might be able to help.
Cheers, best, Fred

Open the Environment. Select the MIDI Instrument layer. From the local New menu, select Instrument (top of menu). New icon appears in the layer. Select it, rename the icon to X-Station. In the parameters adust the port to the port # the X-Station is on and adjust the MIDI channel you want to send MIDI on.
Now go back to your External Plugin, select MIDI Destination-MIDI Instruments-X-Station.
Your there.
You may want to set this up as a Multi-Instrument, but this will get you going.
Randall

Way to send LPX'S ARP to external instrument?

Anybody know if this is possible?

Hi
Sure... on a Software Instrument Channel use the External Instrument plugin to send MIDI out to your hardware (and bring audio back if you like) then insert a MIDI FX plug
CCT

External Instrument

I have a couple of questions regarding the use of "External" on audio instrument tracks.
1. I use it for my Triton, Muse Receptor, and another G5 (hosting a couple of cpu hogs in standalone) through RME Digiface. Works fine. Is there any reason to use MIDI Tracks instead? Are they vestigial at this point, or is there a benefit?
2. I don't understand all the various places you can assign MIDI channel numbers - all, any, 1-16. The options are at the multi-instrument in the environment, at the track, and in the little External window. I get by setting them in the External window, but can somebody explain the various options for this?
3. In addition to the three items (Triton, Muse, RME) appearing as options in the External window, I always have an item called "MIDI Graphics." This is not in my Audio/MIDI setup or my environment, nor have I found it in the manual. What is this?

External instruments don't really handle multitimbral instruments very well - they are fine if you only use the poly modes on an instrument, but less optimal when trying to use a whole bunch of MIDI channels. Also, the audio instrument channels steal some MIDI CC's you can't send to the synth, and you lose the ability to have named program changes. There are some other things too, but at the end of the day, the external instrument plugin was designed as a convenience, and if it works for you, then don't worry about it.
I don't understand all the various places you can assign MIDI channel numbers - all, any, 1-16.
What is it you are trying to do?
In addition to the three items (Triton, Muse, RME) appearing as options in the External window, I always have an item called "MIDI Graphics." This is not in my Audio/MIDI setup or my environment, nor have I found it in the manual. What is this?
I keep seeing threads with this in..? What is it? A MIDI interface? Perhaps you've installed some graphic software that can respond to MIDI input and installs a MIDI driver for it. Just a guess, but it's something specific to your system...

External instrument Question

I have a Alesis DM8 hooked up via USB but when I create a track and use the external instrument plug in I choose my DM8 but I don’t get any signal or sound

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In the inspector set the output of the External MIDI track to the DM8 or USB MIDI, whatever it's called. Set the MIDI Channel to 10.
Record yourself playing the MIDI information.
Plug a set of headphones into the DM8 lower the volume if it has one, play back the track, do you hear anything from the headphones?
You must understand MIDI is Not Audio, it's simply a trigger that -plays- and instrument.

How to set up external instrument in logic pro x

how do you set up external instrument in logic pro x without triggering the instrument twice - by the external instrument GM device to control playback and playing the instrument itself? thank you

I use the local off method but there is another way.
Go to Settings/MIDI and use the "Instrument Without MIDI Thru Function" selector to pick the device and channel your hardware keyboard is transmitting on.
Settings are on a Per Song basis, they're not global like Preferences are.

New external instrument bug? (please test)

Just updated to Logic 9.0.1 and i think i've found a new bug with the external instrument plug-in. When i adjust the "input volume" parameter the slider shoots down to "-24 db" and however much i try to adjust this, it snaps back to this "-24 db" setting. I cant adjust it at all!!!
Can someone else please confirm?

I've heard people complaining about some of the lack of testing that goes on, but in this case it's kind of funny; no one thought to just move the sliders to check?
I mean. Wow. Really. Just. Wow.
It's kind of hilarious, at least with the I/O plugin - since latency compensation has been the feature which is the catalyst for many an angry PT vs LP debate. To not get that simple plugin right on the first get go only reaffirms what a lot of people already think about LP (Bare in mind I'm an LP only user - but one, hopefully, with an open mind and a sense of humour.)
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I should add that the "pings" I did do with the I/O plugin saw a sample offset of +1. Which is beyond negligible really. That means Logic's roundtrip calculations were already pretty accurate.

Using EXTERNAL INSTRUMENT plug normally has latency BUT NOW FULLY SOLVED ???

Hi,
I use alot of outboard synths and I use the EXTERNAL INSTRUMENT plug from Logic9 for this.As MIDI destination I choose my synth (Elektron Monomachine) and as AUDIO INPUT 11-12 , nothing spectacular there.
When I play this external instrument in Logic by hand using my usb controller keyboard everything plays in sync,but when I record it it has latency...Again this is normal (I think??) because I browsed alot of Logic groups and came to the conclusion that the EXTERNAL INSTRUMENT-plug isn't delay compensated,am I right? Even after rigid quantizing the recorded midi sounds a bit late,sluggish.
So the recorded midi has a delay,but THEN I FOUND OUT THIS : If instead in the EXTERNAL INSTRUMENT-plug I choose GM-device (don't know how this got in my midi destination list) instead of Elektron Monomachine as MIDI destination the midi is SPOT ON !!!! (playback)
Can somebody clarify this,this is very strange....the only downside to this is the fact that when I use the GM-device the midi is send to all my midi-synths at the same time....But what the heck,if I can record without almost no latency :-)
What am I missing,I feel like an idiot :-)

I've always used External MIDI tracks to control outboard instruments - it used to work perfectly for me, mostly using an Akai Z8 sampler and various synth modules. I'm becoming more inclined to doing everything in my computer though, these days.
The I/O plug-in has a Ping function - in other word, its sends a small packet of data to your external device and measures the amount of time it takes to come back, if you've got connections going both ways - I haven't used it, but I suppose that may help you with the latency problem, but using external MIDI tracks gives you all the basic stuff you want to do.

OID external authentication plugin for edirectory

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External Instrument latency

Hi guys!
I can't find this topic mentioned elsewhere, so here goes...
I have a Korg MS2000R sound module that I control with the External Instrument plug-in (ie. via the Audio Instruments section). But when I use this setting, there is a tiny but distinct latency in the sound, ie. the MS2000R sound is a tiny bit behind the rest of the music. When I monitor the module through my audio interface without External Instrument, there is no latency.
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Actually, go to System Preferences>MIDI>Sync (ithink that's the thread I'm not in front of it- it might be Sync first, then MIDI). There should be slider (sync) which will allow you to set a negative or positive value depending on your latency (although I've never heard of anyone hearing the sound before the key has been pressed! LOL). This is much easier and possibly more accurate...
Didn't think of that before...

External instrument plugin - how-to?

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