External operation in routing

Hi
In routing if I maintain controlkey with external operation, I have to enter the info record details.
(I have to create info record without ref to material, the pur req/Pur ord created will be account assigned).
When ever I create an order the system will generate pur req for external opeation with ref to info record and it wil be always send to the vendor which i have maintained in info record.
My requirement is, I have 5 vendors who can do the same processing with different cost and lead time. I need to select the vendors.
Please let me know how to achieve this.
I cant go for Quota arrangement,since material number is not involved.
I dont want to create different routing with different info record details.
Regards
S.Senthil

Hi ,
In Your Scenario what i feel is you can create one routing in which u can mainatin vendor info record which is commonly used.Create a production order,but before releasing it,u can change purchase info record by making the customised setting as below.
Go to OPL8,for particular order type and plant combination,maintain order type dependent parameters in which in planning tab -purchase requistion -try to put 2 or 1 and test (1-never it will not create,2 -purchase requistions will be created after release,3-Immidiately when order is created)
Hope it will solve ur problem
Edited by: Girish Adaviswamy on Mar 20, 2009 7:18 AM

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Hi Freinds,
I am creating an external operation in a routing and I enter the purchasing info record which is created for the material.
But when I try to enter this info record in the external operation then I get the Error: "Enter info record without Material"
Already info record is created for this material then what could be the problem. This is stopping the routing creation .Please help.
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Shailesh Nadkarni

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shailesh nadkarni wrote:
> Hi Prasobh,
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> Thnks for the quick response but can you throw somelight between the difference in Inforecord with Material and Inforecord without Material. Thnks....
Shailesh,
If the material is procured by means of subcontracting process, then we need to assign in the material master MRP2 view with special procurement key 30, create the BOM for the material, which would contain the components which would be Issued to the vendor. In this case you would be performing all the transaction with referance to the Output material number, so an Inforecord of SubContract category needs to be created with referance to the Output material, where you Issue the components and you can recieve your material.
In case of operation subcontract the PR or Purchase order would be with account assignment to the production order and not with referance to any material, so there wont be any referance to any material number (Product), you can Issue components for processing, but when recieving it is again not with referance to any material but operation delivery.
Hope i was able to explain, what you wanted.
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Prasobh

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I have a scenario in my company. In the routing, an operation (heat treatment/machining) needs to be carried out by the vendor. We issue the goods (Material X) from WIP & receive goods (material X) after electroplating. Then we continue with other manufacturing process.
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Hi,
External Processing of Operations
Purpose
An externally processed operation is not carried out within your own organization, but is assigned to a vendor, who then does the work.
This type of processing is particularly important for subcontracting. It can also provide a company with a feasible alternative to in-house processing, if capacity bottlenecks occur.
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I have an external operation defined in a production order and a scheduling agreement is assigned to it in the Routing operation details. Now, i want to generate schedule lines when a production order created but the system always generating a purchase requisition. Do we need something to be configured in the background? Please help!
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Hi Sravan,
As per my view point, this is standard SAP behaviour. System will generate PR only in case of external operation.
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Hi,
I am not sure but it seems both the types are possible in this case. If you apply a control key with this setting, you may be able to either process it internally or create a PR against it.
Note that its OR and not AND. So you may be able to process in one of the way and not both.
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Don't solve my problem ecause this is my question.
I want that this field "Planned Delivery Time" is compiled by Default value. Is it possible.
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I'm using a external control key, I have an external service I want to perfom. How come I don't have a place inside the routing to indicate the service that I want like PM task lists? Also how is the purchasing department supposed to understand and the production people how would they know which cost element (GL Account) to throw in, it's too technical for them since each service is related to a certain cost element.
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Rafik,
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We have an operation in the Production Order, where a process is done by a vendor. However this is handled such that the Vendor collects materials across several production orders on a regular basis. The invoicing is also done late, perhaps monthly. Because of this, we find that modelling the operation as an External Operation is difficult since the PO would stay open and the Production Order cannot be closed until all the administration work is completed.
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Dear
if vendor is doing first operation, Create a semi finished material with special procurement 30 subcontracting key in material master MRP2 view and maintain BOM of components which are sending to vendor and routing with external procurement.
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Hi, i want to send only the parent material (header material) for some operation at subcontractor for operation 20. pls advise how to maintain the bom and send to vender and further steps? thank u in advance.

Hi,
Pl. find below steps for external processing. I got this from one of my friend.
1. For a production material (1001), one raw material (2001) is assigned.
2. Production process of 1001 is having four operations 10, 20, 30 and 40.
3. In this 10, 30, and 40 are internal operations and 20 is external operation (sub-contracting).
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Dear ,
Find belwo the answer :
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I'd like to suggest you to read carefully the following note:
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