Extreme + 2 Express = slow | ABS original = fast why?

Parents came back from vacation, both sporting iBook 133ghz with extreme built in. Upon return, their extreme wireless has been performing extremely slow. As an example on their network (802.11G only) throughput is only 15-25kbs while downloading software updates. I stopped the software update, and switched to my base station (old one) running 802.11B only, and they both download at 354kbs constantly.
The full setup is 1 Extreme BS (main bs WDS ) to 2 Expresses's throughout the house to sound systems and used as internet extenders as reception is poor in the kitchen. The extreme is connected to a router which is hooked up to the internet. Before they left everything was fine, very fast transfers ect. I've restarted all BS's reconfiged channels, tested multi cast at 2 and at 24, no difference in speed. Reception is full and internet can be used throughout entire house.
Any help on why all of a sudden speed has become impossible to work with would be much appreciated....802.11b should not be faster...

With all of the AirPorts connected by Ethernet, you have the basics for configuring them into a "roaming" network.
Setup the AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) to "Share a public IP address."
AirPort Utility > Select the AEBS > Manual Setup > Internet > Internet Connection > Connection Sharing = Share a public IP address
Setup both AirPort Express Base Stations (AX) as bridges.
AirPort Utility > Select the AX > Manual Setup > Internet > Internet Connection > Connection Sharing = Off (Bridge Mode)
For each AX in the roaming network:
o Connect to the same subnet of the Ethernet network
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o If using security, use the same encryption type (WEP, WPA, etc.) and password.
o Make sure that the channel is set at least three channels apart from the next AX.

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Here’s my problem:
I attached my Ethernet cord and receive downloads of 125Mbps. Off the charts! Though, when I disconnect it and use Wifi it drops to 61Mbps. The highest I have receive was 71Mbps.
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I don’t expect to get 105, but 90 would make me feel better about what I am paying for.
90 would be miraculous for an Internet connection through the WAN port on the Express for a wireless broadcast, even if the wireless device was close to the Express. Take a look at recents tests of the Express:
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/tools/charts/router/bar/113-5-ghz-dn-c
40 Mbps was top speed for 2.4 GHz
42 Mbps was top speed for 5 GHz
If you are getting 60, you are doing very well indeed.....quite a bit above average for an Express
I checked my 2nd Gen Express again and on a 100 Mbps Internet connection, I got 44 Mbps at 2.4 GHz and 45 Mbps at 5 GHz with the laptop located a few feet from the AirPort Express.
If you are doing better than that, I would call it a day.

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Hi all,
I have problems with slow Wi-Fi connection at home. With my 100/100 Mbit/s fiber I have an Airport Extreme 802.11ac connected by Ethernet cable directly into the cable modem.
With only the Extreme as a router I was not satisfied with the Wi-Fi range and therefore also bought an Airport Express 802.11n (2nd generation ) to extend the network with.
The range got better but I'm facing real slow Wi-Fi connection both on the Extreme and the Express.
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1. The Extreme and the Express are connected wireless. If I connect them together with cable instead, will I then get the same speed from the Express that I have on the Extreme?
2. I've read in several forums that the latest versions on the Extreme and Express causes bad Wi-Fi connections and an downgrade to earlier version is recommended. My problem is that Airport Utility only can find the latest versions when trying to downgrade (bought both of them recently).
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3. Could it cause problems if the Extreme and Express doesn't have the same versions, or is this normal?
4. Any suggestions to improve the down speed on my Wi-Fi connection?
Thanks in advance!

1. Cable connections are always better.
But test first.. turn off the express.. reboot or even factory reset the extreme and have another go with it.
On a computer plugged in by ethernet test the speed.. wireless should be off..
So the most important thing is .. do you get full speed by ethernet.. if not you will never get it by wireless.. always less.. and sometimes much less.
2. You cannot downgrade either of those models. So you are stuck with them as is..
3. I think wireless links are always problematic.. by the very nature of the beast you will drop your speed by half.. so if the links were perfect.. and the Extreme wireless gives you 30Mbit then the best the express could ever give you is 15Mbit.. it is the nature of wireless.
4. Yes.. we can make suggestions.
But give me the pure wired network speed first. If that is low then tell me what modem you are using, which you mentioned.. normally a fibre system has no modem just a fibre converter to ethernet called ONT. Optical Network Terminal

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You still refuse to discuss data versus radio signal.
So, I guess that is that. You have no proof to back up your contention as neither do I.
Granted, from the g device to my Express, it is at g speeds. But, I contend, that once that g radio signal is converted back to data only (now at speed of light) inside the Express, the Express sends that data, via the exclusive “Extended network” connection, to the Extreme, at n speed. It has to as the Extreme will only take n speed.
Sure, it is splitting hairs, if I am right. I am not saying I am. But my idea (before our branch debate on g and n signal versus data upon arrival at the Express) is an interesting way to force old g clients to use only one router. But to force those pesky g clients to use the newer simultaneous dual band Express by setting the Extreme to 5GHz g only was a new solution for me. It worked too. In that case, it is not about minute speed gains or losses but simply letting the g clients have their one party at the Express, which can handle them better when part of an extended network with an older, original Extreme.
It is also far better to just have one Wi-Fi router as, adding Airport routers in an extended network, slows things down 60% or less and requires more "data management overheard", according to Apple*.
It is interesting that they said data management overhead and not radio signal management?
Alternatively, using the “Roaming network” method where the two stations are linked via Ethernet, is an even better option.
* https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202056

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The USB port on the Extreme will support a hard drive and/or a printer. The USB port on the AirPort Express will support only a printer.
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I hope someone can answer this, as I'm having a real issue with brand new installations of satellite internet. We have a 10GB/mo allowance on the accounts, and on one of the accounts that feeds a main house, I have 1 new Extreme and 3 new Expresses to try and grab the signal in bedrooms. The house is and has been empty since installation of the very first month, yet according to the provider, we have used almost all of the data allowance for the month.
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I'm certain. This is a large farm estate and I installed 4 separate accounts in 4 separate locations. The one that gets 24/7 usage in the office with 1 PC, an airbook and iPhone (and I never shut down the PC at night so its always online) used 7GB in a month. This uses a Time Capsule but stands alone and doesn't communicate with any other router. Another system is at the pool house area and also uses and Extreme but doesn't link to anything else (no Express) This has also been an empty building as no people are in residence until Oct. It used only .2GB in a month (bear in mind I speed tested and looked at YouTube to check the speed).
This is why it was stunning that the main house with basically the same set up as the Pool House and no people used 8.5GB. The only thing different is that it is communicating with 3 Expresses in that building.
I'm fast realizing 10GB a month is meager compared to what most people are used to, but this is all that is available. We have been used to having only landline DSL at a rate of 756k-1MB and no cell service, so people will be thrilled if we have enough speed to see a YouTube video. Because of our situation no one has ever used the web for gaming or Netflix or anything like that - it was impossible. People just want to be able to do what I do in the office - email, check the web for news. My boss does like Skype, but he doesn't hang on it. His Skype calls last about 1 minute (LOL!) and he may do that once a day to our Europe office when he is in residence, but the majority of the time the place is empty, so I'm hoping this will suffice.
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I am trying to create a WI-FI network at my home. I was told I needed the Airport Extreme. I also see there is an Airport Express, what is the difference and can I create the network with the express or do I have to have the extreme…
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... My question is. If I work with an iPhone, the AE is going to work just with g forcing to TC to work with g as well with the rest of the equipments
The answer is yes, but I believe you can avoid that by having the iPhone connect only to the new dual band TC. Configure *everything else* to run an 802.11n network exclusively - not "802.11n (b/g compatible)". This way the iPhone will be unable to connect to that network, causing it to run in the slower b/g compatible mode. Your iPhone will work fine, as long as it remains within range of your TC's 802.11g wireless network.
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