Extreme Base Station faster up than down...Why???

Hello all!
I'm brand new here, so please forgive my ignorance. I just replaced a MIMO router ( CompUSA brand) with the Airport Extreme Base Station. Speed tests reveal that my downstream speed to average 2Mbps, while upstream is nearly 8Mbps...what am I doing wrong? Isn't it supposed to be the opposite, with down being much faster than up?
Any help will be greatly appreciated...thanks in advance
backlineguy

I can answer my own post!...how's that!...Full throttle throughput was attained by first restarting the cable modem with the Airport Extreme Base station (AEBS) powered off. Depress the reset button on the AEBS and hold for 10-15 seconds WHILE powering it up. Voila. Incredibly, the downstream is flowing at more than 28Mbps!...and upstream 7Mbps...that's the kind of speed I was looking for! Hope this helps anyone with the same issue!.

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RANT: Why is there no power button on the Airport Extreme Base Station?

I know there is no solution to this until Apple updates the next generation of Airport Extrem Base Stations; hopefully they'll add a POWER BUTTON to it.
I like to turn off my base station when I'm not at home and the only choice I have is to pull the plug out of the back. Why? Two reasons: cut down on my energy bill and SECURITY.
Not that it really uses much energy, but I'm doing the environmental thing here. And my network is password protected, but I just feel more comfortable having it turned off when I'm not there.
So, does anybody feel the same as me about this?
PowerBook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.5) My first Mac was a IIcx. Those were the days!

Really an airport
being tunred off for the time you dont use it isnt
going to save the environment that much I am sure
there are plenty of environmental accidents that ruin
your hundreds of hours of energy use over the years
in mere seconds.
I'm not just thinking of myself when I speak of the environment and energy use. If everyone that has an Airport Network at home turned it off when they were not at home, I think it would make a significant difference. People need to think nore of their impact on the world instead of viewing just their one little piece of it.
It's like the people who leave their desktop computers and monitors on all the time. Turn the friggin' things off if you're not there and if it's not performing any function. Those devices are just eating up energy.
PowerBook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.5) My first Mac was a IIcx. Those were the days!

Why does my Airport Extreme Base Station keep appearing as a Shared device?

After installing 10.5 my Airport Extreme Base Station keeps appearing with a Windows PC icon under the SHARED list in the Finder, and I don't have a hard drive attached. Does anyone know why it's appearing, and how I can make it go away?

Even more weird in my case, I have the Airport Extreme show up twice under Shared. One shows an icon of the actual Airport Extreme which is the one that has the hard drive attached and that works fine. The second is named Airport-Extreme and has an icon like its a PC. lol Not sure what's going on here but if you ask me the first one should be there because that makes sense, but I have no idea why the second one is displayed. Must be some sort of bug.

Are there any faster wireless routers compared to the Apple Extreme Base Station?

Are there any faster wireless routers compared to the Apple Extreme Base Station?

The speed of wireless is limited by the technology. If you are using 802.11n wireless at 5 GHz, and assuming you have a strong connection, the speed will approach the 270-300 Mbps range. Other routers will achieve similar results if they have 5 GHz capability.
As far an ethernet connection is concerned, the Gigabit ethernet ports on the AirPort Exteme will provide top performance, along with other routers that have Gigabit etherent ports.

Why can I no longer print from my Windows XP computers to my Bonjour connected Canon printer thru an Airport Extreme Base Station (f/w 7.6.4, model A1301)?

Something has changed recently and I haven't figured it out. My 2 Windows XP computers are no longer able to print via Bonjour. I have tried removing and reinstalling Bonjour. Upgrading the firmware on the AIrport Extreme Base Station and comparing Port settings from an able to print Windows Vista laptop. Port settings match and Bonjour says it sees the printer...but the communication is not happening between the computer and the networked printer, it times out and produces an error in the print que. Both XP computers have no problem using the internet via the Base Station. One is wired and one is wireless. Thoughts?

Sounds a bit like a problem being discussed in this thread:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2651093&tstart=0
I suspect some kind of update is at fault. Like you, my printer/base station setup had been working fine until recently.

Why does the new Dual-Band AirPort Extreme Base Station act as a proxy?

The previous thread
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1531675
has been archived and nothing came of it, but after testing, I'm certain that their findings are true.
The Dual-Band AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) with firmware 7.4.1 acts as a proxy for TCP ports 21, 554, and 7070 when NAT is turned on. This can be verified by using Nmap on any external server known to NOT have the ports open and having Nmap return that the ports are open. You can telnet to these ports to verify that they're "open," even though they are not on the server.
This functionality appears to be undocumented and as far as I can tell, the only way to turn it off is to put the AEBS into bridge mode and having some other device do NAT further upstream.
As a computer professional, this functionality extremely undesirable, particularly since it is not documented and doesn't have an "off switch." I wasted a bunch of time with one of my network engineers because of this, thinking that some network router was spoofing our server. I also wasted a bunch of my time trying to detect whatever "stealthy rootkit" had opened a FTP server and some other botnet related ports on our server, when in reality, it was simply my AEBS tricking me.
Disabling NAT-PMP ("Enable NAT port mapping protocol") does not affect this.
Is it too much to ask to have a checkbox in the "Advanced" section of the AirPort Utility to turn this feature off?

Welcome to the discussions forum Michael Bennett2.
Thanks for investigating this odd behavior.
If you want your work to be noticed by those who can effect change, you'll have to tell Apple via their feedback link. It won't do any good to post it here.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Why does my AirPort Extreme Base Station lose the internet when I unplug my printer Ethernet cable?

I just changed ISPs to Qwest from Speakeasy. New modem. Now my etherneted (from extreme base station) printer (Brother HL1870N) doesn't work.
And if I unplug the printer ethernet cable from the base station, the base station loses the internet connection.
Any help would be appreciated.
thanks

whats the version on your airport extreme and what renerations is it?

Airport Extreme Base Station - I am ready to throw this thing...

Dear All,
I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window, along w/ everything else from Apple I own... Sorry, at my wits-end and have finally had it with this thing.
My g/f and I live in an apt with an Airport Extreme Base Station (AEBS), 10/100baseT Switch, Xbox 360, PC clone tower (PowerSpec), and two Centrino Laptops... The topology our network is the following
DSL == Modem => AEBS => 10/100 Switch => (XBox 360, Powerspec)
Every other day, the AEBS drops out for no obvious reason. Not only for no reason, it DROPS the connection and causes interference on our wired network. If I'm playing Call of Duty 2, for instance, and using Skype at the same time, anywhere from 10-30min later, the WiFi connection will drop altogether and the wired network will go down too.
I've done multiple hard-resets and the issue persists. Apple wants $80 to talk to me (after we paid $150 for it because it's supposedly "the best") after only owning it for a little over a year. It seems that this problem has been persistent.
My g/f finally cracked down and bought a Verizon EVDO card and uses it while she is out, but in the house because she cannot use our home network reliably.
I've tried using it on WPA2, WEP, and even left it open but the thing still drops for no reason...sometimes within hours, or two two days. I'll come home, boot up my laptop, and the WiFi is completely gone...non-existant. Boot hers, same thing... I doubt it's interference because we have 1 cordless phone and it's a 900mhz, which we rarely use anyway.
Does anyone else have any of the problem(s) we're having? This has been semi-often since we got it, and all Apple told us was "interference" and won't help us because we use PC (I used to own a Mac, hence why I got this).

Update: Well, the AEBS 'bombed' out again when I got home on Friday, no access whatsoever.
I unplugged my DSL modem from it, plugged it in directly to my HP notebook, and was surfing the 'net w/out a problem. Power cycled the AEBS and it worked fine. That was just over one day on firmware v5.5.1, longer than it lasted on v5.7.
Here's my conclusion...
I'm 'convinced' that v5.7 is buggy and it's known, or well documented. It will cost more money to fix it, or release a new firmware version that repairs the bugs from v5.7, than to just leave it alone and hope people either downgrade to v5.5.1 or purchase a new AEBS (w/ 802.11n).
After countless hours of dealing w/ this, of which I feel like a complete and utter fool, I went out and bought a competitor's product (Linksys) and installed it on Saturday morning. As of this writing, I've had no drop-outs and the access seems to be more punctual, or responsive than when I was accessing under my AEBS. Therefore, I'm happy to say my problem of unreliable WiFi access in my apt is solved, but only after spending $50 to purchase a new router.
I spent $180 on the AEBS and I can remember the first time I had to call AppleCare about printing issues I was having with it; I could print from Windows XP (both wired and wireless), but not from Tiger OSX 10.4. No-one had a clue, but was only told that the issue was my "printer" not the AEBS or my Mac. Despite repeated attempts to re-inform that it works just fine under Windows XP with both my Lexmark and Canon inkjets, it would not print properly (bombed out half/way through the page) under Mac OSX.
So, here on my shelf, sits the Airport Extreme Base Station that I paid $180 for, and it is basically useless. Apple could care less about it, but then again, why should they--after all, it had a 1 year warranty and despite trying to resolve issues I had w/ it while it was in fact within the warranty period, that time has come and gone.

Very weak Airport Extreme Base Station signal...

Hi --
I've been searching the forums here for some solution but haven't been able to find anything. I'm trying to upgrade my parent's wireless network in their home and they've had an Airport Extreme base station for a couple of years now. I recently switched them to broadband which is much faster than the crappy DSL they used to have but the problem that still exists (one that they've always had) is an incredibly weak Airport Base Station signal.
I've tried using different laptops and computers on it, but all of them register the same weak signal. Having my laptop 12 inches from the base station only gives me three bars. From three feet away it drops to two and anything over six feet is a 1 bar or nothing and that's all int he same room. Trying to access it from an adjacent room is fruitless.
Like I said, it's like this for all computers I've tested. Anyone know what's up with this? Is the base station on the fritz? I have the latest software update for it as far as I know.
Thanks.

That's a good, helpful list but we don't really have any of those potential interfereces. Like I said, this signal is down to two bars from five feet away and only three bars from literally six inches away, so there's really not a lot of room for intererence from that distance anywat.
I've seen people wondering if the latest firmware update for Airport might be causing this, but I'm wondering if the Airport base station itself is maybe in the fritz. I guess I could try getting a new one. Anyone else out there have any other ideas?

Airport Extreme Base Station as an wireless Extender to new Airport time capsule

After many months of time machine back up problems. (verify back up failing) I am considering biting the bullet and getting a new 2TB Airport extreme time capsule. Can I use the old (late 2013 801.11ac) airport extreme to extend wifi network?
A few other questions.
1.Does extending reduce wifi performance?
2. If using extreme as extender can I still plug in hard drive or hard drive to it?
3.
currently using imac 21.5 (late 2013) 1TB backing up to 6TB WD mybook live duo (connected to Extreme using ethernet), via airport extreme base station (ac wireless band to mac)
Any guidance appreciated.

Is it possible to quantify how much faster USB back up is compared to 802.11ac between mac and AirPort time capsule?
600GB should take 10 hours by ethernet. And it will be somewhat faster by USB3.. exactly how fast is difficult to predict as the first TM backup itself is slow due to many small files. In terms of raw speed maybe twice but it will depend on the disk used. USB you can use an SSD and get super huge speed. (not that I think you will be buying a 1TB SSD anytime soon).
In terms of raw speed it is cheese and chalk. The max speed of real world file transfer on AC wireless is around 430Mbps and that is using ideal world.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/bar/113-5-ghz-dn-c?see=MAX
This has nothing to do with link speed.. this is how fast a file actually transfers. And that is assuming the iMac and the TC are in the same room. And everything is perfect with nothing else using connection.
The real world speed of USB3 is around 100MB/s to a spinning hard disk..
http://www.macworld.com/article/2039427/how-fast-is-usb-3-0-really-.html
which may indicate the limit is the actual disk speed. In bits per second you x 8.. so the USB3 is 800Mbps. The advantage of USB direct connection is that speed is available at all time. Not when your close or the load on wireless is low.
Further to your comments when extending. Is it only the area covered by extending that has reduced performance or all the wifi signal?
The speed will depend on hops..
So if the computer is using resources on a local router.. and only one wireless hop then it is fast.
If it is using resources via a second router so wireless goes.. computer--- router2----router1-- resource.
Your speed drops 50% at best.. at worst it is really bad.
For example.. computer 1 on router 1 accesses computer 2 hard disk on router2 with everything wireless.
Count the hops. C1-R1, R1-R2, R2-C2
That gives 3 hops. So each packet is transmitted.. along that chain.. each transmission can only begin after it is received in full. Now add some other computers using resources.. say C3 is using internet via R1.. that has to be time sliced. So you get 50% of 50% of 50% of 50%. It is obvious that wireless networks have a huge handicap.. they cannot transmit and receive at the same time.. nor can they talk to more than one client at a time.. so add time slicing to wireless hopping.
Now ethernet is entirely different. It can transmit and receive at the same time.. ie is duplex. And in a switch it can talk to several computers at the same time. That is why we say.. as much as you can ethernet.. and use wireless as the last single hop to a client that needs it.. ie iphone or ipad.. or laptop if you cannot plug in ethernet.
Can the ac wifi format be extended using AirPort Extreme and time capsule.
Over very short range yes. AC wireless is only on 5ghz and is poor penetration of solids.. so this will work but maybe only to the next room.

802.11n + Airport Extreme Base Station: Questions?

I'm no aficionado on wireless technology but I thought the new 802.11n spec was just a draft and nothing was set in stone, so how can Apple upgrade and sell products to this spec??
Is anyone of the opinion that a lot of the post 10.4.8 wireless connectivity problems being experienced by a lot of iMac and Pro intel-mac users is to do with Apple trying to roll out SW and HW that conform to this new spec instead of, in the first instance, ensuring robust solutions with the common 802.11g protocol with their new intel range? In effect, are they trying to run before they can walk with this?
Would having a new Airport Extreme Base Station thus Airport Extreme card upgraded to be 802.11n compatible, instead of a 3rd party modem/router at 802.11g solve all these connectivity problems, or, is anyone else experiencing the same problems with the new Base Station and 802.11n enabled card??
Lastly, is anyone aware if apple intend to upgrade and release a new [plugin] Airport Express Base Station compatible with the new 802.11n draft?
I have two AE's acting as print servers and powering remote speakers; would enabling my 17” iMac C2D to 802.11n affect output to the Airport Express base stations???
Luke
17" iMac Intel Core Duo, 2.16, 2G RAM Mac OS X (10.4.8) ADSL Nation X-Station Modem/Route; 2 x Airport Express Base Stations
17" iMac Intel Core Duo, 2.16, 2G RAM Mac OS X (10.4.8)
17" iMac Intel Core Duo, 2.16, 2G RAM Mac OS X (10.4.8)

I too do not see why the rush to Draft N when the specs might change enough to make a substantial purchase worthless once the standard is finalized. I have read too many articles mentioning that the current technology isn't worth it just yet.
Furthermore, many people are buying Draft N networking thinking that it will give them a huge boost in their internet. Since even the slower 802.11G is faster that what most ISPs provide, no one will see faster downloads. The main benefits are range and speeds on your local area network - that is in transferring files from one computer to another.
It is possible that the problems some users are seeing is due to the cards Draft N status, but I do not think so. If that were the case, we would be seeing a lot of complaints in the PC world since they are using the same equipment and I haven't seen complaints there.
Since 802.11N is 802.11N it should not make a difference whether it is Apple or D-Link or any other brand, but as a draft standard there are variations in the implementation that I have read about in the PC world. Some routers are better than others and some should just be avoided.
Apple doesn't allow us to speculate here, but I am sure that sooner or later Apple will update the Airport Express to Draft N as well.
Updating your iMac to Draft N should not make a difference at all with your current setup.

Solution to Airport Extreme Base Station + Airport Express networking probs

I've been investigating this for 3 straight days after inadvertently destabilizing my network. There are tons of posts discussing a variety of issues, all of which seem related. My goal here is to provide links to other relevant posts and explain what I ended up doing to get things to work.
First, the background. You can skip below to SOLUTION if you don't really care... However, I highly recommend you take the time to read everything, as you'll get other useful information in the BACKGROUND section. I'm guessing many of you have similar, related problems so BACKGROUND might help provide context (and solutions) to some things you are seeing...
MY SETUP:
AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) of type b/g (round one, not square one), connects to the cable modem, and creates a WDS network that is then shared across two standard AirPort Express (AEX) units (100megabit, not the gigabit ones). One AEX serves as a relay unit that accepts clients, the other serves as a remote unit that also accepts clients. The intent is to show a single network throughout the house and let users log on to one network and move between networking units without having to switch from network to network.
I have a variety of networked devices throughout the house all running on the same network (2 Mac Pros, a Powerbook G4, a Mac Mini, an Apple TV, a Windows XP laptop, two iPhones, two wifi printers, and a 5-unit Sonos system, plus the AEBS and two AEXs). Yeah, I'm a geek.
The Mac Pros are both running 10.4.11, and the Powerbook is running 10.5.2.
AEBS is running firmware 5.7
AEXs are running firmware 6.3
All Macs were initially accessing configs via the recently released AirPort Utility 5.3.1. More on that later.
BACKGROUND:
I've had this network setup working for about a year now. Recently, I've been having poor network performance problems and came to the conclusion it was a LAN problem (ie. problem with my home network, as opposed to with my ISP). Upon initial investigation, I began by looking at my networking logs (via AirPort Utility 5.3.1). You get to those by selecting the unit in question, choosing "Manual Configuration", the selecting the "Advanced" tab up top with the "Logging and SNMP" sub-tab. Click the "Logs and Statistics" button therein for log details from that unit.
The first thing I noticed was "Administrative access denied to ff80::xxxxxxxxx" messages - a lot of them. I didn't recognize the ff80:: address in question, and so became concerned it was someone outside the network trying to hack one (or all) of the AEBS/AEX units. You can see threads discussing that investigation here:
"Hack or panic?" - http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1438486
"Administrative access denied" - http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1438865
Long and short of it is that the recent AirPort Utility 5.3.1 release (current as of March 13) seems to have problems (keychain) when attempting to access the AEBS and AEX units. The "Administrative access denied" logs actually refer to the client machine you are using when you try to read the logs. The ff80::xxxxxx address is simply the IPv6 address for the machine you are using; if you turn off IPv6 on your client machine, that address should switch over to begin showing a regular IP address instead (something like 10.0.1.xxx), which makes it easier to associate the IP to the machine. I explain how to deactivate IPv6 on both Tiger (10.4.x) and Leopard (1.5.x) here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6814978#6814978
Anyway, in the process of investigating the "Administrative access denied" problem, I began tinkering with my AEX settings. Specifically, I ended up performing a hard factory reset (unplug unit, plug back in while holding down the little button with paper click/pen for ~10-15 seconds until light flashes green 4x then reverts to amber/yellow/orange). I began reconfiguring my entire WDS network using the newly updated AirPort Utility 5.3.1, and that's when the trouble started.
(If you are having problems seeing either your AirPort Extreme Base Station or AirPort Express, read this:)
In short, each time I thought I had properly configured things and then confirmed settings (kicking off a reboot on the AEX unit) the unit would restart with new settings but not properly join the WDS and not show up in the AirPort Utility list of units. More specifically, I would start with a "wiped" AEX and see both the AEBS and the AEX in my AirPort Utility list, but upon confirm/reboot the AEX would disappear and the AEBS would remain. However, that's not 100% correct. It seems that sometimes I would end up with the AEX and NOT the AEBS. Because both the AEX and AEBS were theoretically "hosting" the same network name (remember, WDS shares the network name across units) my auto-login feature for my client computer's wifi seemed to "jump on" whichever unit it first saw hosting the default network name for my house. In other words, it seems what was really happening was that I was ending up with two separate networks in my house, both with the same name but not talking to each other (as opposed to two units sharing the same network name and internet connection). The AEX would continue to blink orange/amber/yellow (whichever color it is to your eyes ) because it could not grab an internet connection -- and if I was on the network through that AEX unit I would not get internet. But if i was connected through the AEBS I would continue to have internet access. As far as my client computer (my Mac Pro) was concerned, I was on the home wifi network even if I was on the AEX rather than the AEBS -- it would show the home wifi network name as the name of the network it had connected to. But when I opened the AirPort Utility 5.3.1 I would see only the AEX (if I was connected through it) or the AEBS (if connected through it) -- a clear indication that the units were not truly sharing the same network.
I tried rebooting and reconfiguring the AEBS and AEX about 50 times (literally). I even tracked down an older version of the AirPort Utility 5.2.1 via this thread (see Tesserax post):
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1067565
One interesting thing re: 5.2.1 is that the "Administrative access denied" errors summarized above disappeared. As explained in a post reference above, the going theory is that this a permissions/keychain problem new and unique to AirPort Utility 5.3.1. However, even though 5.2.1 does have a slightly different interface with different settings, I still couldn't get the WDS to work.
EVENTUALLY, I came across this post:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1422527
MuaddibOfArrakis walks through setting up a WDS from scratch, and the workflow is different than what is possible with either AirPort Utility 5.3.1 or 5.2.1. He's doing it with the old version of AirPort Admin Utility, which I fortunately saved a copy of many moons ago when I had somewhat-related problems with my WDS (since forgotten). In fact, it's a lot easier. What's nice about this older app is that it literally does the heavy lifting of "connecting" the AEBS and AEX units during the configuration -- it reboots both at the same time as the config is happening, and lets you choose from a list of available units to "add" to your WDS network. In short, it's a FAR SUPERIOR workflow even though some of the GUI isn't as intuitive as the newer AirPort Utilities that were designed to replace it.
SOLUTION:
If still have a copy of the AirPort Admin Utility follow the instructions from MuaddibOfArrakis here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1422527
If not, try setting up your WDS network using AirPort Utility (hereafter AU), with these configs (take from my now-working network), as viewed through AirPort Utility 5.3.1.
I. Configure your AEBS.
Select the AEBS from AU, and choose "Manual Setup"
1. Under the AirPort tab up top:
a. Under "Base Station" sub-tab:
i.) assign a name for that specific unit, so you can later identify the specific unit from the list of units -- this is the name that will show up beside the unit in the AU list of configurable units. You can name it something like "kitchen", or "office". I have mine numbered, so XXXXXv1, XXXXXv2 etc where the XXXXX is the name of the shared network and the numbers help me tell the units apart. Just be sure you name each uniquely, and if you have several you might write the name on the unit itself.
ii.) pick a password for logging into that unit. This is different from the network password, its a security check to get in and change the configs on this unit later. Be sure to remember it in your keychain for the sake of simplicity, and write it down somewhere secure.
iii.) if you choose to set time automatically, pick a location that you will use consistently across all your units. I use time.apple.com.
iv.) uncheck "Allow configuration over Ethernet WAN port" unless you want to be able to remotely mess with settings -- which you almost certainly do not need to do.
v.) I left the "Options" button alone - no settings there.
b. Under the "Wireless" sub-tab:
i.) Wireless Mode: "Participate in a WDS network"
ii.) Network Name: this will be the name of your wifi network shared by all units, so be sure to remember what you pick. If you are already connected to this AEBS via wifi while you are making these changes, then you can use the same wifi name you already have set up -- you don't have to change it. Note that if you DO change it, after reboot your will LOSE connection to the network and have to reset your wifi settings on your client machine to match the new network/password in order to be able to access the network.
iii.) pick a Radio Mode. I'm using b/g compatible. You'll want to do the same, unless you are on the new gigabit AEX. I'm pretty sure about this, but not 100% -- others post if I'm wrong.
iv.) choose a Channel. This can be a more complicated procedure, but for now just pick something consistent across all your units. If you get everything working and find that you're having intermittent network problems, you could later try changing your Channel -- it can pick up interference from phones, microwaves, etc and changing it can help.
v.) I have wireless security set to WPA/WPA2 Personal.
vi.) Wireless Password is the password for access to your wifi network (not your unit itself). If you are connecting to your AEBS via wifi while doing this config, then you can use the same password you have already set up. Pick a good one unless you want other folks jumping on your wifi and stealing your bandwidth and/or credit card numbers . Remember it in your keychain and write it down someplace secure, because you'll need it for the other units too. As noted above, note that if you DO change it, after reboot your will LOSE connection to the network and have to reset your wifi settings on your client machine to match the new network/password in order to be able to access the network.
vii.) Click the "Wireless Options" button. I have my multicast rate set to 2mbps, transmit at 100%, timeout at 1 hour, and i have checked the "Create a closed network". This last step keeps your network from advertising itself to the outside world. Users can only find it by explicitly typing the network name into their wifi settings (e.g. AirPort -> Other... then enter Network Name, Security and Password). I leave interference robustness unchecked.
c. Under the "WDS" sub-tab:
i.) the AEBS should have it's WDS Mode set to "WDS main".
ii.) Check the "allow wireless clients" box on the AEBS; this lets you connect client machines to it directly too.
iii.) hit the plus button to add the Remote system (AEX). There are two types of configs for the AEX's - "remote" and "relay". Assuming you have 3 units like me (2 AEX and 1 AEBS) the key question is whether you will place each AEX within direct reach of the AEBS (remotes), or if you will have one AEX in the middle connecting to an AEBS on one side and an AEX on the other -- where the furthest AEX is out of reach from the AEBS (remote) and connects only to the AEX in the middle (relay). I'm using a relay setup. If you are using relay, you can still set up the AEX relay to serve client computers too -- it doesnt have to JUST relay. More on that later. For now, you want to add only AEX units that will talk DIRECTLY to the AEBS. So if you have a setup like mine, just add one (the one in the middle - the relay). If you have two remotes connecting directly to the AEBS, you will add them both here. When you hit the '+' button it will ask for both an ID and description. For description I use the name I'm assigning to each unique unit (as above, "kitchen" or XXXXXv1 or whatever you use). For AirPort ID, use the number listed on the AEX unit itself (not the number for "Ethernet", also on the AEX unit).
d. Under the "Access" sub-tab:
i.) I have it set to "Not Enabled". I'd suggest you start that way too, and you can go change it later if you get everything working correctly.
2. Under the "Internet" tab up top:
a. Under the "Internet Connection" sub-tab:
i.) Connect Using: Ethernet
ii.) Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
iii.) Ethernet WAN Port: Automatic (Default)
iv.) Connection Sharing: Share a public IP address
b. Under the "DHCP" sub-tab:
i.) DHCP Beginning Address: 10.0 . 1 . 2
ii.) DHCP Ending Address: 10.0.1.200
DHCP Lease: 4 hours
c. Under the "NAT" sub-tab:
i.) nothing should be checked;
ii.) nothing under Port Mappings either
3. Under the "Printers and Advanced" tabs up top:
Nothing special needs to be configured there.
THAT'S IT.
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I. Configure your AEX(s)
Select the AEX from AU, and choose "Manual Setup"
1. Under the "AirPort" tab up top:
a. Under "Base Station" sub-tab:
i.) pick a unique name for this unit, same logic as for AEBS
ii.) pick a password specific for accessing this unit, same logic as for AEBS
iii.) Set time automatically: be sure to use the same settings used on your AEBS
iv.) Options: no need to set any
b. Under "Wireless" sub-tab:
i.) Wireless Mode: Participate in a WDS network
ii.) Network Name: same name used for AEBS, this is the name of your wifi network
iii.) Channel: same as AEBS
iv.) All settings here (those above, plus Security and Password & in Options button) should be the same as for AEBS settings on this tab
c. Under the "WDS" sub-tab:
...if AEX is "in the middle" (as described above):
i.) WDS Mode: WDS relay
ii.) Allow wireless clients: check (unless you only want to bridge between the edges without letting folks connect on this AEX in the middle)
iii.) WDS Main: set to the AirPort ID (aka MAC address) for the AEBS. You can find it on the bottom of the AEBS, either labeled as such or at the bottom beside the logo of a wireless signal (square logo, with semi-circles mimicing a radio signal).
iv.) WDS Remotes: click the '+' to add any AEX's that will connect to this relay rather than directly to the AEBS. Same deal as above, use the name in the description and use the AirPort ID from the side of the AEX (not the Ethernet ID).
.....if AEX is connecting to a relay ("on the end", as above) or if there is no relay and AEX connects directly to the AEBS:
i.) WDS Model: WDS remote
ii.) Allow wireless clients: checked
iii.) WDS Main: if connected to a relay, use the AirPort ID of the relay AEX. If connected to the AEBS directly, use the AirPort ID of the AEBS
d. Under the "Access" sub-tab:
i.) MAC Address Access Control: Not Enabled (for now, you can change later)
2. Under the "Internet" tab up top:
a. Under the "Internet Connection" sub-tab:
i.) Connect Using: AirPort (WDS) -- should be selected and gray'ed out.
ii.) Configure IPv4: Using DHCP
iii.) Ethernet WAN Port: Automatic (Default)
iv.) Connection Sharing: Off (Bridge Mode)
3. Under the Music, Printers and Advanced tabs up top:
Nothing special needs to be configured there. You can worry about AirTunes settings later...
That should be it. I'd recommend setting up the AEBS first, then the relay (if applicable), then the remotes. Initially, you can bring each unit in the same room with you for configuring. After configured and restarted the AEX should blink then turn solid green. If it turns green you should be good to go.
HOPE THIS HELPS. As noted above, I did not config through AirPort Utility 5.3.1 so I haven't tested this procedure through that app. However, after getting my network to work I went back and transposed all settings into this post to help others. Please provide feedback on whether or not this is working, so we can collectively try to move towards a setup procedure that works for everyone....
Good luck!
Message was edited by: b.byrd

I'm not convinced that the problem lies in Airport Utility. This same thing was happening to me, nearly exactly as you describe it. The thing is that with me, the problems clearly started when I updated the firmware in my Airport Express (n). That's when all the wacky stuff started happening. Sometimes it would show up in AU, sometimes it didn't and even if it didn't, I could still access the internet through it.
But as you said, the problems got really bad when another Express (b/g) was put on the network with it. Even when it did work, the (b/g) would make it impossibly slow.
You know more about this than me, and clearly have more patience if you've restarted the network fifty times. I gave up at about ten.
In any case, your solution is more of a work around and if you're still having that slow connection problem, I'm not sure you've got it. But thanks for your reporting of this. At least I know I'm not crazy.

Airport utility no longer recognizes my Airport Extreme Base Station, which had been set up to extend a wifi network

Hi. In November I set up my airport extreme base station (5th generation I believe) to wirelessly extend the wifi network we use at home to see if it would increase download speeds. Before doing that, I did a factory reset of my airport extreme, and the owner of the airport extreme to which the ethernet cable is attached made changes to his network to allow it to be extended. I folllowed all the directions from the apple support pages, and finally got it to work. I could even access a portable hard drive which I attached to the airport extreme base station being used as the extension. Then a week or so ago I noticed that my laptop would no longer connect to my base station. I did not have time to look into it until this week. Airport utility, either on my Mac or iphone no longer recognizes my base station. My mac is running OS X 10.10.1 and my iPhone is running iOS 8.1.2 I have tried both hard, soft and factory resets of my base station to no avail. The only thing that has changed after doing that, is that when I do a soft reset of my base station, a neighbors airport express appears when it never did before. I can't actually connect to it, but it does try. Then after approximately 5 minutes, it disappears from my list.
Today I went and pulled out my OLD AIRPORT EXTREME base station... you know, the one that looks like a space ship and is running wifi 802.1 b/c? airport utility DOES locate and display that, but airport utility returns a message stating that it cannot be set up by this software. I am attaching an image of that.
Thank you,
John
Does this have anything to do with the fact that 'Back to My Mac' is probably enabled?

I think the initial problem is that your iPhone was connected to an open network that wasn't yours.
Go to Settings > WiFi and "Forget" the network created by that AirPort Extreme, it's older than dirt. Forget your neighbor's network also.
Perform the equivalent actions with your Mac: System Preferences > Network > Wi-Fi > Advanced... Delete every network that appears, including your own.
Then, connect to your own network on all your devices, after which you ought to be able to use any of them and configure your Extreme without any difficulty. You may need to start over with a "hard reset" on both the main AirPort Extreme and the one extending its network.
Does this have anything to do with the fact that 'Back to My Mac' is probably enabled?
Not exactly, but using iCloud Keychain will populate all your devices with the names of preferred networks that any of them connect to, no matter where they are. I don't know why Apple considers that a beneficial feature.

2 airport extreme base stations later and still no internet connection-

Sorry - yet another beginner with internet connection troubles! (I have read all the posts I could find relating, but without any help).
I have had a Demon broadband account now for about a month (I’m in the UK) and in that time I have purchased a D-Link DSL-300T Ethernet modem and an Airport Extreme Base Station. I got wireless internet working relatively easily – with a powerful range over the whole house and garden, but then one Sunday night, the internet connection via the base station suddenly ‘died’.
I spent the following 3 days scrutinising all of my settings of both the Modem and the Base station, re-setting both, and bought new Ethernet cables / micro filters etc but with no luck. (I’ll point out at this stage that my broadband account is still active, and if I connect the Ethernet modem directly to my iBook [wired] I can still get my broadband connection. Alternatively, I tried daisy chaining the modem to the base station and then via an Ethernet cable to an iBook, but no connection could be made).
When wireless, Airport Admin recognises there is a modem there, and under preferences > network under Airport it states I am connected to the internet – but I’m not.
I then phoned D-Link and they confirmed my firmware was up-to-date for use with Apple products and talked me through all of the modem settings and tweaked a few things, but there was still no connection to the base station. I then phoned Apple. They were incredibly helpful (as ever) and after 35 min. came to the conclusion the base station might not be re-setting itself properly. The replacement one came yesterday, and again I spent a number of hours trying to get it connected to the internet, but there is still no internet connection via airport and I can confirm this from both my eMac and iBook.
Reading through the forums on here, I understand that my particular modem is problematic with the base station, but I can’t work out why it use to work and now it doesn’t! One theory I have investigated is that the firmware of the base station is two advance for the modem following an update, but after reinstalling the original firmware I started with, I still have no luck.
- The eMac is running 10.3.9 / iBook is running 10.4.3. The base station is reinstalled with the latest firmware via system update. The first base station and the modem were delivered to me 31/10/05.
Any help or suggestions would be really appreciated if anyone has any ideas
Thanks for your time
Will.
UK.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2316
78&tstart=0
I think if you follow the instructions I gave in this
link you will be fine.
Remember, If you for any reason loose your
connection, it is normally always a Power Issue..Your
ISP is down for service ..or some other anomoly, If
you were good before your settings will still be
good...Good Luck...Don
Hi Don,
Thanks for you quick response. I printed off the instructions you posted on the support forum before, and ran through your procedue exactly, (twice) but I'm sorry to inform you that I haven't been able to re-establish my wireless internet connection. Would it be safe for me to assume at this stage that my modem is indeed fualty? It contines to work fine independantly, (I'm using it right now) but it can't seem to make contact with the basestation.
Will.

Adding an extreme base station to an existing wifi 'n' network

Got a bit of a strange one here wondering if anyone had a good answer to.
Basically I am in the process of connecting up a CCTV wireless external cam to my network. I dont particularly want to use wired connection purely because of where my router is situated. It would mean a very long Cat5 cable running up and down several walls and is not ideal.
However, after testing the cam i don't really want to rely on the wifi it has built in. When it is in position I need it to work flawlessly - it would also be awkward to reconnect it up to the router via cable (router downstairs and cable would pop out in corner of room upstairs).
I also would ideally like my external hdd (with time machine backup running) on the network rather than plugged into the imac via usb- I'm thinking more on security - id rather have the backup stashed away upstairs away from the computer.
So I'm thinking about getting an Airport Extreme Base Station and wire the CCTV and external hdd up to it so they are accessible on the network - but still use my existing router as the dhcp sever and main wifi access point.
But I'm a little unsure if this is possible to do? Any help would be appreciated.

However, after testing the cam i don't really want to rely on the wifi it has built in. When it is in position I need it to work flawlessly - it would also be awkward to reconnect it up to the router via cable (router downstairs and cable would pop out in corner of room upstairs).
You might want to consider a pair of ethernet powerline adapters to accomplish your goal. One adapter plugs into an AC socket near your main router and the other would plug into an AC socket near the camera. Short ethernet cables would connect the router to one adapter and the camera to the other. The AC wiring in your home transmits the ethernet signal.
I also would ideally like my external hdd (with time machine backup running) on the network rather than plugged into the imac via usb- I'm thinking more on security - id rather have the backup stashed away upstairs away from the computer.
So I'm thinking about getting an Airport Extreme Base Station and wire the CCTV and external hdd up to it so they are accessible on the network - but still use my existing router as the dhcp sever and main wifi access point.
You could connect connect the CCTV to the AirPort Extreme, but the AirPort Extreme would need to connect to your main router using an ethernet cable (or powerline adapters). You would not be able to do this using wireless only.
Ironically, the less expensive AirPort Express would be able to connect to your wireless network (assuming there were a strong signal where it is located) and provide an ethernet signal. The problem here is that you would still be relying on essentially a wireless connection between your main router and the AirPort Express. That's really about the same as relying on only a wireless connection between your main router and the camera, which you mentioned that you did not want to do.
The big problem with connecting an external drive to the AirPort Extreme for use with Time Machine backups is that due to corruption issues, Apple does not support this type of configuration. So this would definitely not be advised.

Extreme Base Station faster up than down...Why???

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