Extreme not showing up in airport admin

Sorry in advance for the long post.
long story short: neither my airport extreme nor my airport express appear in my airport admin utility after resetting both. I'm still able to connect wirelessly to the internet, though. I can't do maintenance on my network or name the base stations now. Any ideas?
long story long: i use an airport extreme to create a wireless network in my home. My TiVo is also connected to my network. I use an airport express fror Airtunes.
A few weeks ago, the network no longer worked - the problem was with my ISP, and now is fine (I can connect wirelessly to the net again). Problem is, now I can't get either the extreme or the express to show up in my airport admin. I'm connected to the 'net via my now 'unnamed' ("Apple Airport ed2B..) wireless network. Unfortunately, i can't do anything else, like name my base station, enable my express to connect to this unnamed network, connect TiVo wirelessly, etc.
PowerBook G4   Mac OS X (10.4.8)  

Suggest that you restart the entire network by powering everything off...order is not important...and starting the modem first, then AirPort Extreme, then each device one at a time.
Temporarily, connect a spare Ethernet cable from your Mac to one of the LAN <-> ports on the Time Capsule.
Check to see if AirPort Utility can see the AirPort Extreme
If this works, when you have completed checks or adjustments on the AirPort Extreme, you can disconnect the Ethernet cable.

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