Fan control without 3DTurbo on FX5200-TDR

Hi,
According to what I've read, the FX-5200 TDR seems to have two distinct
fan speeds (for 2D and 3D).
By default (i.e. on startup), this means that it is quite noisy.
When launching 3DTurbo on Windows XP, it switches down the fan
speed to the (much more quiet) 2D level.
Does anyone know how to do this without 3DTurbo ? Say on a Linux
system ? Is there any way to tell the card directly (maybe via
its own bios) to switch between the speed modes [surely the card
should know if it is in 2D or 3D :-] regardless of any
software running ?
System:
MSI Neo2 LS
P4 2.6 GHz HT
MSI FX-5200 TDR 128

A good pasive northebridge cooler should do the trick
Other than that I think there is no way you could control the fan (hardware restrictions on most motherboards).

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