FANs: New MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo Fans OSX 10.4.8 Staying On Always

I just received my MBP C2D and as soon as you hit the power button, the fans come on and don't shut off. Its extremly loud. Sounds like a jet engine. I tried everything to stop it. I installed SMC Fan Control, Fan Control, and Core Duo Temp. The fan controls seem not to affect my fan rpm speed. Core duo temp says my core temp fall between 30C and 45C always. Every few hours (like 4-6 hours) the fan will shut off for 1 sec and then start up again and sometimes stutter on and off. Occasionally the fan will shut off for awhile after like 12 hours, until my MBP goes to sleep and then when it wakes, the fan comes on at full speed and remains on forever. I can shutdown the MBP and as soon as I hit the power button the fans come back on. I ran the apple diagnostics rom cd1 and all passed. I did notice after I entered the test that the fan speed went way down until you could barely hear it but I knew it was on. I suspect that my fans are stuck on at wide open rpm. I wonder if software may have a fault that could cause this. My MBP software is all up to date. Any tricks out there to diagnose this problem or fix it? What is the duty cycle of the fans? Should they come on when you first hit the power button before the OS is booted up? Anyone else with C2D fan problems? Please help!
MacBook Pro 17 Mac OS X (10.4.8) Ipod Video 5G
MacBook Pro 17 Mac OS X (10.4.8) Ipod Video 5G

the fan in the c2d model's is designed to be on all the time.
open up smc fan control - if you have no app's open besides smc and your computer is just sitting there idle it is normal for both of the fans to be running at 2000 rpm.
if youre laptop is idle with no apps running and the fans are at 5000rpm+ then i would be conserned, but a simple restart should help in that scenario.
everything you have mentioned is normal.

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MacBook Pro Core Duo 1.83 GHz fans (0 rpm)

Working on a friends macbook pro core duo 1.83GHz 1,1 - It’s been shutting down intermittently; he’s been using a laptop cooler and it helped some. I installed iStat Pro and SMC Fan Control and neither the left or right fan are spinning (0 rpm). I figure dust bunnies preventing fans from turning; took the top case apart and much to my surprise it looks as though the fans never spun. Ever! Not a speck of dust inside either one. I powered it up and neither even tries to spin; trying to jump start them with a push does nothing. All connectors look solid, nothing burnt.
Any suggestions other than new logic board?

Depends. Are the fans simply not working? Are they connected to the motherboard? Is the motherboard not working? Have you tried
Intel-based Macs: Resetting the System Management Controller (SMC). There may be any number of explanations none of which you can know without taking it in for repair unless you have the repair equipment and know-how.

Who has a brand spanking new MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo? Comments?

Hi,
Ok, it's been almost 3 months since I posted a similar post asking for experiences with the new MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo.
Please let me know how things are working, whether you went 5400 or 7200 internal (my main concern), pros and cons, size of screen (15" or 17"), etc...
Got my eyes on a 17", but don't know which internal to do.
Thanks!
PS - I may go iMac 24" (because it has Firewire 800) and keep this ol' PB G4 1 gightz for portability... thoughts?

If you want to use Logic, then 15 inch screen is a must. There is not enough > space on the 13 inch to view Logic, especially when you open the soft synths.
well yes... or, in my case, the 15 inch screen was still not enough so I went for the 17. it has exactly the same res as the 20" cinema display which I was already used to with logic, so I'm happy. plus I never use this machine as my laptop to carry around (I kept my powerbook for that) so I didn't need to compromise on getting something that was still not too big to be a comfortable laptop. but I think if you do want to work with logic effectively and still have a laptop that's a practical size to use as a general laptop, the 15" is the right choice.
what internal speed drive did you go with? 5400 or 7200
I went for the 7200rpm drive. have you read all the information out there on the net about the new PMR technology that's used on the 160/5400 and 200/4200 drive options in the MBPs? there are some very comprehensive benchmarks that have been run which show that there's not as much of a dramatic difference anymore between the 7200 and the 5400. for some operations under certain conditions, the 5400 actually appeared to be faster.
you're not planning to use the internal drive for audio though, are you?
my reasoning for getting the 7200 drive is the following. OSX permanenty and automatically uses disk-based virtual memory just in regular operation. it is constantly creating and reading swap files, as well as just referencing little bits of whatever data that the apps and the system need to run. this VM use becomes heavier the more your actual physical RAM starts being used up. now seeing as I know that I'm going to be running heavy logic sessions, using up as much RAM as I can get with samples and just general everything.. I decided I needed to have the snappiest system drive I could get. even given the benchmarks for the PMR drives, I still felt that fast read/write access speeds and the fastest seek time possible is what I needed to have optimal performance. sure a 5400rpm PMR drive might have great specs for a lot of things. but when the system needs to be able to find whatever swap files or system resource as quickly as possible, I still think you can't beat a disk that is just physically spinning faster.
the other thing I've done is this. when I first got the machine, I reformatted it and did my own custom install of OSX. traditional drives perform best when they are less than half full. from what I've read, anything down to 30% full is still on an improving curve, and maybe it gets better still even less full. so I scaled back the install to as lean a system as I could. I've installed only the most important apps that I need, and I definitely did not install the iwork and office trial software. after that, I used software called monolingual to remove even more language localizations (which are added with app support) on top of what I had already left out in my custom install. this got me back almost another GB of space. also, my itunes library is not on my MBP.. I've kept it on my powerbook. the only times I ever want to listen to music from my itunes library on the MBP is when the powerbook is nearby anyway, seeing as the powerbook is the only machine that I ever take anywhere. so, the library just appears in itunes on the MBP as shared music. my iphoto library is locally stored on my MBP though, because iphoto runs so much faster on this machine.. but this is the only concession to include personal files that I've made on the MBP. so, out of a 100GB system drive, I still have 62GB of free space left, and I'll keep it as close to that as I can.
as for my project audio and my sound library, it's all on an external FW800 drive. but I'm also considering getting an e-SATA card and getting a drive for that, because it will be even faster and will free up the FW bus to have full-bandwidth use of something like liquid mix. we'll see.
anyway, so far so good. like I said in my first post, logic is running like a demon. in general, this machine is running real fast for everything, like a fast desktop.
but I think the problem with your question is.. it's going to be hard for anyone to be able to tell you how it would have been had they gotten a different drive. I have no idea if my system would be running logic any less fast if I'd gone with the 5400. my instincts tell me that maybe it'd have slightly less of an edge, but I can't really say. it's probably true that if I was using my 7200 drive less cautiously than I am, and that it was getting close to full, then it would probably slow down a bit more dramatically than a 5400 would have, if I had one of those and it was getting full. this is to do with the fact that higher data density on the same sized platter can mean faster seek times only when they are starting to get fuller, and also to do with aspects of how PMR disks work. but I think that a well managed and lean 7200 drive that is much more than half full will still give you a slightly perkier system than a 5400 PMR drive used at its best. there's not really any way I can know this for sure though.
end of the day, I don't honestly think logic would run like a dog with a 5400rpm PMR drive. but if you want the absolute best performance you can get, you're better off keeping a lean system drive, trying to keep it at least only half full or better.. and then using a fast external for your projects and sound library. in that case, I don't see the point of getting a 160GB internal drive, just so that you have more space to keep empty.
but if you want to use the machine for multiple purposes and you could really use that extra disk space, then I still think logic will run more than fine. compared to your powerbook, there's no way you'll be dissapointed.. it's like having a dual 2.5ghz G5, if not faster, only in a less than one inch thick case that you can carry in your bag.

Some possible good news for MacBook Pro Core Duo owners....

All,
I believe I am now running 2.4GHz 802.11N on my MacBook Pro Core Duo.
I have a Belkin F5D8071 ExpressCard installed.
I also have the new Airport Extreme.
Before I got the AE, I tried to run the 802.11N enabler with the Belkin card installed. No go. The enabler said my hardware didn't meet the minimum requirements.
But, I received my AE yesterday and installed the Airport Utility on the MacBookPro while the Belkin card was plugged into the ExpressCard slot.
As I was watching the installation, I noticed that the enabler installed!!!
So I switched the AE to N only 2.4GHz (Belkin support has no mention of support for 5GHz N for the F5D8071). And my MBP joined the network!
So I investigated some more. I opened Network Utility and it said my link speed was now 144Mbps. And the MAC address began with 00 17 3F. That is registered to Belkin. The Belkin card was active! But I saw no power light on the Belkin card. So I went into IORegistryExplorer and found the entry for the ExpressCard, it said the IOVendor was Apple. So what I THINK is happening is the Apple Driver is now recognizing the Belkin card and the driver just doesn't know how to drive the lights on the card. But it does recognize the chipset on the Belkin card. Which Belkin says the chip is made by Airgo.
I ran a quick speed test by copying a 1GB file from a wired PowerBook to the MBP. It only took 12 minutes to copy!!! Sweet!!! I have "N" speeds on a Core Duo MacBook Pro.
Now one limitation is the Belkin card does not support 5GHz. But there is hope for CD MPB owners. Hope this helps others.

I have a February (very early) MacBook Pro Duo. I bought the Belkin F5D8071 card, plugged it in and installed the Airport Extreme software including the system 802.11N enabler. I set the AE to the 802.11N only mode and it does not work! Any suggestions? I would think that Belkin will eventually come out with their own soft ware patch for OSX. Thanks.
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Now who has a brand new MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo?

Hi,
Keep checking each week or so for experiences with the new MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo.
Please let me know how things are working, whether you went 5400 or 7200 internal, pros and cons, size of screen (15" or 17"), etc...
Got my eyes on a 17", but don't know which internal to do.
Thanks!

david, to be perfectly honest I think the primary advantage of the trio is its convenience. no fuss, well thought out monitoring. a dumbed down (in terms of controls) compression and EQ section on the mono mic preamp strip. easy to use talkback, monitor switching and 2 separate headphone amps.
the compressor and EQ do sound nice, the circuitry is lifted from their high end gear, but it's more intended just for getting a decent sound easily and quickly, I'm sure some corners were cut. the EQ bands are preset, the compression control is one knob (plus gain as another way to drive it), but it's a variable mu compressor design so it's normal that there's no threshold and attack/release settings. for what it is, it sounds nice, and I have on occasion chosen to use it over the avalon 737sp because it had the sound I wanted. it sounds good, but as a vocal producer I'm sure you know that for precision work, if its compressor and EQ don't let you tune in to just the right sweet spots in your source due to only having a single preset variable mu threshold/attack/release curve and preset HF and LF EQ, then it won't cut it on that day. you'll need more precise control.
that said, you can bypass its comp/eq by inserting another one, so if you have your fancy rack of golden preamps and channel strips you use for single mic recording, you can stick that in the chain and just benefit from the trio's nicely implemented ease-of-use and record away using all the glorious sounding input and control you get on the channel strip of your choice.
I've found the sound of its converters pretty good too. I haven't A/B'd it with a rosetta or with a digi 192 but I doubt it is in either of those leagues. still, it's clean. stereo field is good.
what would you be looking at it for exactly? if it's for your idea sketchpad setup I'd say check one out, no hesitation. for that kind of use it could hardly be better. and as I mentioned above, you can effectively swap out its channel strip for the best one you have, so it can also be used for tracking of material that you will still be pleased with taking through to mix stage, for those days you aren't tracking in a 2000 dollar a day studio. even the internal comp/EQ is good enough for this if its tuning happens to gel with your source.
one thing I have noticed though is that it's not the quietest pre in terms of hiss. not talking anything as horrible as say the cavernous white background noise of the worst mixer ever made, the yamaha pro 1? I have banished the name from memory.... it's just a subtle thing, comes up more obviously when you wind in HF EQ, obviously.. not even a real issue for rock/pop/dance vocals, maybe more so for recording your favourite baritone at carnegie hall, but you wouldn't really be bringing a small all in one tracking/monitoring box to a session like that anyway, it wouldn't pass dress code. and again, the channel strip is bypassable for a better one anyway, so bye bye to its sound, hello to the sound of your choice.
as for build quality etc, well I think it feels a bit more solid than it looks in photos. although once or twice I had to switch it off and back on again cos the sound died, on a very hot day in a very not airconditioned room.
anyway there you go. if you want better advice, tell me what you actually would want to use it for and I'll tell you what I think. an RME may be a better idea depending on what you need.
btw had a look at your site. looks like you've done your share of nice work. I'd love to play you some of my vocal production work some time (part of me wants to be a vocal producer when I grow up). are you based in LA? I'll likely be there at some point in the new year on a project, always a pleasure to meet fellow music heads.
take care,
antonio

Macbook Pro Core Duo shuts off intermittently

my 2006 macbook pro core duo with 2gb of ram shuts off intermittently.
here's what i've done to troubleshoot:
tried running the hardware support disc by holding down D. it starts to boot the disc and then the computer shuts off. it does this without fail right when the disc starts to boot. the screen flashes a few times and then kaput.
i've tried installing snow leopard. it turns off right around the 25% mark.
i've taken a very large house fan and pointed it directly at the exhaust vents of the computer. the computer stays MUCH cooler to the touch when doing this as i suspect(ed) the exhaust fans are broken. it doesn't help. the computer turns off when booting the hardware disc (at the same point) and while installing snow leopard.
i've taken the two 1gb dimms out and tried to install snow leopard utilizing each of them (1gb at a time) and it still dies.
any suggestions? if i can't get apples hardware testing tool to run and i can't install an OS, what are my options?

what are my options?
Resetting an Apple portable's System Management Controller (SMC)
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=2238
Take your computer to an Apple store or an AASP.

17" macbook Pro core duo = LCD LP171WE2 replace with LP171WU6

Removed the cracked LCD from my 17" Macbook Pro core duo 2.16
The part # is: LP171WE2 TLA2
Newer mac's use the following lcd part #'s:
LP171WU6-TLA2, LP171WU6-TLB1, LP171WU6-TLB2, LTN170CT10
My question:
Will the newer lcd's work as a replacement for my older one?
Anyone with the technical knowledge on this please reply.
Thank you

Another option:
This site states the: LP171WE2-TL-03 is interchangeable with the LP171WE2-TL-A1.
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Ram limit in macbook pro core duo

hi
I was wondering what the limit of the macbook pro core duo is. I know it says 2 gb but has anyone tried a 2gb chip + 1gb chip? I also know the core2's can do 3gigs.
I have had laptops that thave worked with way more than the specs said. My pismo's limit according to apple was 512mb ram I have had 1GB in that for many years. I think the 512 mb chip was the larges one at the time the computer was released so thats what was reported. is it the same thing with the first generation macbook pro's?
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t

According to Apple's specs the limit for the MBP CoreDuo is 2 GBs. The limit of the Core2Duo is 4 GBs although only 3 GBs is user accessible.
The spec limit for the Pismo is 1 GB (512 MB per slot.) When new models are released sometimes there isn't RAM available to suit the limit of the model, so Apple can only certify a max based on what's currently available. You will find this is true of many older Mac models such as the Pismo.
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My MacBook Pro Core Duo from 2006 shuts down randomly requiring frequent reboots to the point I had to abandon doing any project or anything on this MacBook Pro. Same thing occurs with the iMac dual core from 2007. MacBook battery replaced.

My MacBook Pro Core Duo from 2006 shuts down randomly requiring frequent reboots to the point I had to abandon doing any project or anything on this MacBook Pro. Same thing occurs with the iMac dual core from 2007. MacBook battery replaced. Is it internal battery for both, new logic board required, bad hard drive, or bad RAM?
Help.

Run an Apple Hardware Test using the original installation disk that has the AHT instructions on it.
Try SMC and PRAM resets:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3964
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379
It is possible that you may need a new PRAM battery.
Ciao.

802.11n for MacBook Pro Core Duo's no problem!

From a post on xlr8yourmac.com:
" So I was really ****** about only having G because of being an early adopter. So I started looking what could I do about it. Browsing the net, I found out that the new core2duo machines actually use a broadcom chip (Actually as mentioned here previously, the Core2Duo MacBook/MacBook Pros use the Atheros AR5008 Chip, although the Mac Pro uses a Broadcom chip (not sure on chip version no.) - the Apple 802.11n enabler supports both. See notes on Mac 802.11n page here.-Mike) and this chip is the same one in Dell Wireless 1500 adapters. (Dell notebook mini card)
I bought one of those Dell 1500 cards on ebay, (I searched google and found the Dell 1500 card for as low as $52.xx, although an ebay auction had over 100 of them at $90 "Buy it Now" price.-Mike) and using the great guides on ifixit, change the card on my machine.
(He didn't mention which CoreDuo Mac he had (Macbook? Macbook Pro? iMac? Mini?) but I'm assuming a Macbook or Macbook Pro since iFixit's guides don' t cover the intel-based Mini or iMac.-Mike)
On boot, the card is recognized (and even more stable than the older one). The enabler didn't want to work (wouldn't install I assume he means) on my system though. So I opened it in pacifist, (available here-Mike) and moved the file to the System folder, and magic! I have draft-N in my macbook coreduo
Hope you can publish this and it helps someone.
-Julian"
William

Just out of interest, where's the third attenna?
802.11n might work on the chip, but you won't get 11n
performance without the third attenna.
Regards
Paul
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I am going to disable the wireless feature in the Verizon router and hard wire a connection to the AirPort Express and see how that works...
So MacBook Pro (Core Duo) first generation can be updated to take advantage of 802.11n.
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Just ******* after an 23" Apple Cimima Display (ACD). But wondering wether or not my laptop will be able to drive it properly.
I have a MacBook Pro 15.4" with a 2GHZ Core Duo Processor with 1GB of RAM and the ATI X1600 GPU with 128 MB of RAM. I'm a bit annoyed I opted for 'only' 128MB, 256MB would have really increased the shelf life of the computer.
When I play new games on the maximum resolution (1440 x 900) I can't have all the graphics options on other wise it goes a bit 'jumpy'. Does this mean that the even higher resolution on the 23" ACD will make it worse. Also I noticed Cover flow is a bit jumpy sometimes, is that because of my measly 128MB?
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What will happen if I install Lion on my macbook pro core duo? I have one of the first Intel MacBook Pro's with a Core Duo processer, I'm having hard drive problems so want to format it and re-install my OS. I can't find my Snow Leopard disk so the easiest thing to do would be to download Lion but I have been told that my MacBook needs to have a Core 2 Duo processer so I just wondered if anyone else has tried Lion on a MacBook like mine??

Nothing.
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see Technical Specifications
Also you will need SL running to access the App Store to download Lion. So In a number of ways this won;t work.
regards

I have an older MacBook Pro Core Duo, I don't know if it is uprgradeable to OS X Mountain lion is it possible to tell via the S/n??? I'm already at Snow Leo. 10.6.8. I'd like to be able to completely bypass OS X Lion this may help determine if this is

I have an older MacBook Pro Core Duo, I don't know if it is uprgradeable to OS X Mountain lion is it possible to tell via the S/n??? I'm already at Snow Leo. 10.6.8. I'd like to be able to completely bypass OS X Lion. Any one have any input that might shed light on my situation? Thanks in advance for your input.

Your MacBook can not be upgraded to Lion or Mountain Lion. Snow Leopard is the highest possible for that model.

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From what I can tell from various documentation around the web, this should be upgradable to 802.11n with Apple's 802.11n Enabling software, however it tells me that the hardware is not compatible.
If anyone can suggest what I am doing wrong, or whether I miss out, that would be good.
Also, assuming it can not be upgraded, will running my local Airport network in "802.11n 5GHz 802.11a compatible mode" affect the speed of my other 802.11n devices on the network?
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So you're basically saying 'Link Speed' shows the current connection? If so, the problem resolved itself. Sorry, my bad. Thanks anyways.
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Another thing. When I asked at the local Apple Center for the 802.11n card, they told me, the card itself is not sold separately and even if so, it could not be exchanged, since it's unremovably attached to the logic board. Why do they tell the customers something like that? I mean, if Apple doesn't want the users to make changes like that, fine. Then they should say so. But why make up stories in order to dissuade people from their ideas? Is that common policy?

Is there a compact flash and SDXC card reader with USB3 and or thunderbolt connections that will work with new MacBook Pro retina laptops running OSX Mavericks please?

Is there a compact flash and SDXC card reader with USB3 and or thunderbolt connections that will work with new MacBook Pro retina laptops running OSX Mavericks please?

Yes, I too had this problem.
I was issued an update from Apple for a new version software as well as a new version of Lightrooom and now it shows up on the desktop and in finder as it should.
MacBook Pro Retina running 10.8.2 (12C54)
Lightroom running 4.1
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