Faulty QWERTY Shortcuts in Dvorak Layout?

I couldn't really find a "bug reports" forum, so hopefully this is where this goes.
I use the Dvorak keyboard layout. I do not use the "DQ" layout where Command shortcuts use a QWERTY layout. So, Command+X to cut means I press the key marked "B" on a standard Apple keyboard.
However, when I Command+Tab through my applications, I still have to press the apostrophe (the key marked "Q") to quit an application, rather than the proper "Q" key for the Dvorak layout. Also, to activate the mouse-rollover dictionary, shortcut CommandControlD, I have to press CommandControlE instead.
It would appear these particular shortcuts are detecting key presses in an International-unfriendly way. Shouldn't this be fixed?
I'm upgrading to Leopard on release day, so I will give an update if this is still a problem.

I couldn't really find a "bug reports" forum, so hopefully this is where this goes.
Whenever you want to convey something to Apple, use the feedback channels, since you are only talking to other users here:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/

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Tip: Keyboard remapping for Dvorak layout

(thanks go to Alex Donald for pointing out the Key Codes program)
I use the Dvorak layout program which is not 100% compatible with Aperture's shortcuts, because Aperture's shortcuts are hardwired to the keyboard.
fortunately, you can 'rewire' the shortcuts.
today, I found a file named KeycodeMapping.strings inside the Aperture package. Apple probably created it to remap equivalent keys to existing ones (eg, some of keypad number shortcuts call the same events as the 'top of keyboard' number shortcuts) so that they wouldn't have to double up the 'event' keys in the KeyEvents.plist file. for those of us not using the US keyboard layout, that is a good thing because it makes it easy for us to remap the keyboard to our personal keyboard configuration.
so, my keyboard and the Aperture shortcuts are now working great. if you are using the Dvorak layout, here's how to 'fix' Aperture for your working environment:
1. quit Aperture.
2. open the following file in a text editor (make a backup first to be safe):
Aperture.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/KeycodeMapping.strings
3. change the first string (ie, 'from') to:
"82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 91, 92, 0, 45, 34, 4, 2, 16, 32, 38, 5, 8, 9, 35, 46, 37, 1, 15, 7, 31, 41, 40, 3, 47, 43, 11, 17, 44, 39, 30, 27, 24, 6, 12, 13, 14, 33";
4. change the second string (ie, 'to') to:
"29, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 22, 26, 28, 25, 0, 11, 8, 2, 14, 3, 5, 4, 34, 38, 40, 37, 46, 45, 31, 35, 12, 15, 1, 17, 32, 9, 13, 7, 16, 6, 27, 24, 33, 30, 41, 39, 43, 47, 44";
5. save the file.
you're done. when you next launch Aperture, the shortcuts should work as expected.
not all of the keyboard shortcuts may have been remapped. for example, any shift-punctuation keys may still be wrong because the shift- and non-shift- versions of the letters may come from different keys on the keyboard. to correct this, we would have to change the mapping in the KeyEvents.plist. this is possible but I want to keep this as simple as possible for the time being. the KeycodeMapping.strings file seems to be the easiest route to go.
you could do the same for other keyboard layouts with a little investigation as Alex has already proved.
Note. if you have multiple users using Aperture on your Mac and they don't all use the same keyboard layout, this procedure would mess them up big time! if that's the case, I would suggest duplicating Aperture and modifying one for your personal use, leaving the other copy for everyone else on the computer to use.

Gregory, thank you soooooo much for this!
I've been trying to cope with this problem for months!
It's great to have keyboard shortcuts working. I did notice that the tool tips that document the keyboard shortcuts are wrong, at least for me. For example, switching to the standard view is Command-option-S. The tool tip indicates Command-Option-O. The Dvorak "O" is mapped over the QWERTY "S". This is a nit of course with respect to the functionality of the keyboard shortcuts.
I do hope there's a permanent fix to this in an upcoming update to Aperture.
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Dvorak layout

This may be a stupid question, but how do I change my keyboard layout from the standard QWERTY layout to the DVORAK layout?

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Hi Randy,
Go to System Preferences > International > Input Menu,
enable Dvorak, in addition to your US layout
enable also any other layout you might like to use in the future
and tick "show input menu in menubar".
Now you can use the menubar small flags to toggle between your favorite layouts.
HTH
Axl

Dvorak layout for Carbon x1

Hi,
I've recently purchase a Carbon X1 2015 edition, is there some place I can purchase a dvorak layout for the keyboard?
Thanks,

http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/2254/what-are-good-keyboards-for-programming
http://www.dvorak-keyboards.com/Dvorak_keyboard_buy_or_make_your_own.htm
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Dvorak-Tastatur-Keyboard-XMAS-Sonderpreis-/191522573073?pt=DE_Computing_Tasta...
http://www.amazon.com/Dvorak-Keyboard-Ergonomically-Designed-American/sim/0935309101/2
http://support.lenovo.com/en/documents/pd005137
http://www.wikihow.com/Switch-to-a-Dvorak-Keyboard-Layout
http://www.technology.tidbitsandstuff.com/dvorak-keyboard-for-brain-plasticity/
http://www.fentek-ind.com/dvorak.htm#.VRUU_uG2o_c
or you can use one external solution....this is all what i know...sorry...

Does anybody know a Dvorak layout for romanian language (Popak layout)? Please help!

I want to change the layout in Popak (Dvorak layout in romanian) and I can't find any on the net. The only Dvorak is in english.

It's pretty easy to make a custom layout for such a thing using
http://scripts.sil.org/ukelele

Xorg/dvorak layout

Hello,
I am having problems using an dvorak keyboard layout with Xorg in Solaris 10. I added the following entries to /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
<div class="pre"><pre>
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "dvorak"
EndSection
</pre></div>
After a restart of the login manager the keyboard is only partially like a dvorak keyboard. For example the key 'e' (on an us-style layout) should now map to period and greater. I verified this by looking in /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/dvorak and there the key AD03 (fourth row from the bottom in the third column) is mapped correctly. But still this does not work.
I now use an workaround with an xmodmap file which looks like the following:
# cat /etc/X11/Xmodmap
keysym e = period greater
I also have another question regarding /etc/X11/Xmodmap. Normally /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default should reads this file on startup. This does not work in solaris10 because gdmwhich in 28 returns "" and by default gdmwhich searches only in /usr/X11 and /usr/X11R6/bin but xmodmap is in /usr/X/bin.
Just in case the xorg version is of any interest:
<div class="pre"><pre>
X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Sun Xorg Release 1.1 for Solaris 10)
Release Date: 9 February 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
Build Operating System: SunOS 5.10 Generic i86pc
Current Operating System: SunOS pcno-4 5.10 Generic_118844-01 i86pc
Build Date: 23 February 2005
SUNWxorg-server package version: 6.8.0.5.10.7400,REV=0.2004.12.15
SUNWxorg-server patches applied: 118966-03 119062-01
SUNWxorg-graphics-ddx package version: 6.8.0.5.10.7400,REV=0.2004.12.15
SUNWxorg-graphics-ddx patches applied: 118966-03
</pre></div>
Regards,
Christian Walter

How are you typing 'e' and 'E' with your hack:
# cat /etc/X11/Xmodmap
keysym e = period greater
Is there anybody managed to use this Solaris without switching to QWERTY layout?
May be users should be warned at the time of accepting license agreement that they are supported only if they use QWERTY layout, and if they learned DVORAK they should go away from Solaris?
Sergey

[SOLVED] dvorak layout, polish characters

Hello everyone, thats my first post here.
first of all, im using dvorak.
I tried searching on forums but found nothing on keywords "pl" "dvorak" "polish" etc.
So i decided to ask: i'm running on fluxbox. In console, when i press alt + s,a,o etc. it gives me normal polish chars, but after xinit, it does not.
in xterm i get some weird things, in aterm nothing. I cant use polish characters even in firefox, but it shows them with no problems, when they are on pages.
PS. my locales etc are set like "polonization" tutorial shows, i turn dvorak with setxkbmap dvorak (did shortcut for that, and for "us" in fluxbox menu.)
Last edited by slawek_n (2009-12-26 22:39:47)

Hi again, its working ;D, i simply wrote:
setxkbmap dvorak pl
;D.
thank you chpln
next time i will read manual pages before i ask about something.
ąśłćźżęóń
Last edited by slawek_n (2009-12-26 22:40:29)

Create ShortCut For Query Layout Design

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There is no specific SDK function for this, you could however write code to automate the manual steps:-
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How to add keyboard layout and define shortcut to switch layouts

Hello there people of Arch!
How can i add greek layout to my laptop and how can i set "alt+shift" as the shortcut to switch between layouts?
I tried to search but i couldn't find something useful!

Inxsible wrote:
sepuku wrote:
Inxsible wrote:What I gave you there was the guide itself.
What you gave me there is something generic not a guide(telling do "this" and "that" without telling how "this" and "that" is actually done is not a guide).Since i ask you how i'm supposed to do something am asking for specific info.
I'm using gnome.Is there a way to do it using the graphical environment?I don't have time this days to learn writing scripts cause i really need the greek layout for my studies and there's little time.
Thank you again for your reply!
Aah !!
Why didn't you say you wanted everything handed out to you on a platter !!!
Aaaah why didn't you say you are full of complexes?Thank you for your guide!That really helped me!I just asked if there's is guide in the forum 'cause i searched and couldn't find any info.And no what you gave me is not a guide.Could you just answer this without pretending the smart?Or this is just to difficult?Well anyway no hard feelings I don't care.
Am not going to reply to anything else you say cause you are ironic!I'll just wait if there is a more polite answer!
Peace to your complexes.

Bluetooth Keyboard = Qwerty; Built-in = Dvorak.

I have a Powerbook G4 867 with a Dvorak keyboard that I use for typing in English and Japanese. I just got a bluetooth Frogpad™ Left-Handed that when I type it transmits its key signal which is converted into Dvorak, which means when I type a <W> on my bluetooth keyboard I get <,>. I my computer to function on Dvorak for Gaming and Translating and Qwerty for my Frogpad™. Can I set it up somehow that the bluetooth keyboard is recognised as being Qwerty input and the built-in keyboard is Dvorak/Kotoeri, always?

Hi Doug Doug < /just kidding > —
Welcome to Apple Discussions!
Check out the CNET keyboards/"desktop sets" review and the Apple store »» links to (Mac Accessories) Mice & Keyboards. A search in this forum for [ ergonomic OR trackpad OR trackball ] — &/or perhaps in other Apple Discussions forums — may also be helpful.
AFAIK — despite what may be said in their brief marketing descriptions — I haven't noticed that the keyboard components of these "ergonomic keyboards" / "desktop sets" actually work as Bluetooth with OS X (some of the companion mice do — but that's not what you're after). Be sure to do some "reader-reports" research among Mac users before buying. That is, I think that RF, IrDA, &/or other USB alternatives make up most/all of what you're seeking.
But I could easily be wrong — it's hard to "keep up" with this market. I don't believe there's any technological reason we haven't seen more of these (i.e., I'm guessing it's market-driven.) Anyway, I urge you to check the links above, and perhaps to read through results from a Google-Mac search for [ Bluetooth keyboard (ergonomic OR "desktop set") (trackpad OR trackball) ] or other search terms.
I'd be interested to hear back what keyboards you discover. Some of these products are pretty cool...
Regards,
Dean
p.s. Is there a reason that you think the Adesso WKB-4000US is Mac-compatible? The page you linked says "Platform: Windows 98SE & Above." I must've missed it; the only "Mac" keyboards I see on their site are these two...
I use Apple keyboard and mouse — and like them a lot — but I honestly don't see any problems with using other technologies for a keyboard, provided that distance and "line-of sight" aren't issues.
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Norwegian dvorak in console

Hi there
I Have just installed ArchLinux, but I couldn't find the norwegian dvorak layout during the installation,
so I continued with qwerty.
Now I have Arch installed, which thinks I have qwerty, and a dvorak layout on my keyboard, but I
dont't know either of the layouts without some looking at the keyboard.
I am also a newbe at linux, but I have decided that arch is the distro for me.
I am asking for help to change to norwegian dvorak, not just how, but how to do it with minimal typing
at the keyboard before arch knows i have norwegian dvorak as my keyboard layout.
any help will be well appreciated
Stoffi

Hei!
Sjekk ut http://doomtech.net/wiki/index.php/Dvor … our_system
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"Dvorak - Qwerty ⌘" zoom in hotkey UI bug

Product: MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2014)
OS: OS X (10.10.1)
I believe i have found a serious UI bug in the "Dvorak - Qwerty ⌘" keyboard layout. I have reported this bug. I even asked my friend who works at apple (and independently confirmed that it is a serious UI bug) to help see that it gets attention. However, some time has past and i've not seen or heard anything since, he then recommended that i post here.
In many programs within OS X (including safari, preview, and others), The zoom in hotkeys are broken for this keyboard layout.
It's a bit difficult to describe this since the keyboard layout is meant to change while "⌘" is pressed, so i will refer to all keys as they appear visually in the standard qwerty keyboard. I.e. the "=/+" key is the key left of the delete key, while in dvorak, it has the value of "]/}", i will still refer to it as: "=/+" key.
THE BUG:
to replicate:
1: Set keyboard layout to: "Dvorak - Qwerty ⌘" (changed from U.S., not as the default)
2: Open Safari or Preview
3: Press "⌘" key + "=/+" key (to zoom in)
Result: Nothing happens
Now, there is a work around. If you press: "⌘" key + "]/}" key, then it does zoom in, but this is wrong because the "⌘" key should switch the "+/=" value back to the "+/=" key, but it does not.

Have you looked at the keyboard shortcut settings?
I have no idea if it will help because I frankly do not understand the Dvorak layout, however System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts may allow you to specify shortcuts for the effected apps? Use the full title as shown in the menu to override the default setting.

Multiple keyboard layouts... how do I stop it from defaulting to QWERTY?

I've been working on teaching myself the Dvorak layout. I've even re-arranged the keys on my laptop (which is partly because I LOVE to see people who can't touch-type struggle >:)
Unfortunately... the OS seems DETERMINED to use the QWERTY layout. Every time I switch apps, it goes back to qwerty as default... and I see no option anywhere to stop this. I could probably remove qwerty layout from the menu... but as I'm learning, this isn't exactly an option. And it's something that should be changeable.
Is there a way to stop this defaulting behavior, so if I set it to a different layout it'll STAY that way? I'm also working with a few Japanese sets, and it has the same irritating habit, so I can't quickly switch between apps.
If it remembered what setting that application had, I'd be even happier... but again, I can't find anything to effect this in the least.

Look, dude, if you've already thought of this, too, then spare me the sarcasm, ignore it and continue waiting for something better to come along.
But, since no one's been able to help you so far, notwithstanding your pleasant and welcoming demeanor, have you tried the following:
Select both Dvorak and Qwerty (and whatever else you want) from the input sources in System Preferences > International > Input menu.
Then click on the Keyboard Shortcuts button, which will take you to the Keyboard Shortcuts section of the Keyboard & Mouse pane.
Click the black triangle next to "input menu," check the boxes next to "select previous input source" and "select next input source in input menu," and set up easy to remember short cuts for switching back and forth between keyboard layouts. (If you see a yellow triangle next to the shortcuts, you'll have to change the default shortcut to something not already used by an application.)
Now, before you unload another barrel of sarcasm and urge me to read your post again, please know that I fully realize the foregoing workaround does not do exactly what you want to do, i.e., stop your keyboard from defaulting to Qwerty when you switch applications.
But, what it does let you do is, when you switch apps. and your keyboard defaults back to Qwerty, then you can easily, with a keystroke or two, switch back the your preferred method of input without having to go to System Preferences and check and uncheck boxes.
That's the best I've got on this one. If you don't like it for any reason -- such as the keystroke or two being too much work for you -- or for no reason at all for that matter, don't bother letting me know. If you do like it and it works for you, well that's great and that's why I posted.
Good luck.
-- JDee

Dvorak Keyboard Layout

Is there a Dvorak keyboard layout available for the iPhone?
While I touch type on the standard QWERTY keyboard, I find the Dvorak layout much better suited for typing with my thumbs.
Who do I ask for one if there isn't one now?
Thanks,
Byron

Byron C. Mayes,
You are welcome to suggest it on the feedback page the link for the iPhone is:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
However, speaking personally, I would think the reasons for the way QWERTY is laid out might be valid on the iPhone. QWERTY is laid out the way it is so that letters that are likely to appear together in English are separated to avoid accidental keystrokes.
Hope this helps,
Nathan C.

Dvorak uk layout (alternative) keymap file

Hi
I've created an alternative UK variant of the dvorak.map keymap found in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/dvorak/dvorak.map.gz. This keymap is in line with the wikipedia british english dvorak layout which looks like this:
This is the keymap that would be specified in /etc/rc.conf.
It wasn't clear to me which keymaps to use when configuring runlevel 3, the gnome 3 window manager, or GDM; below is what I finally used for each (after several days of pain...):
RunLevel 3
Copy the keymap linked above to /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/dvorak/dvorakuk.map
In /etc/rc.conf, edit the KEYMAP line to read
KEYMAP="dvorakuk.map"
Gnome 3
System Settings>>Keyboard>>Typing>>Layout Settings
Click +
Select 'English (UK, Dvorak)'
#note that the keymap labelled as 'English (UK, Dvorak with UK Punctuation)' is very similar to the layout of classic dvorak with minimal movements to accommodate the sterling symbol. Unfortunately I have already configured my windows installation and keyboards at home and at work to use the wikipedia mapping above...
GDM
Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf
Make the section with the identifier labelled as evdev keyboard catchall as
Section "InputClass"
Identifier "evdev keyboard catchall"
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MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
Driver "evdev"
Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
Option "XkbVariant" "dvorak"
#Option "XkbModel" "microsoft4000"
EndSection
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Hopefully someone else will also find this useful.
# dvorak uk layout
# adapted from dvorak keymap
# sterling added
# at and quotedbl switched
# numbersign and backslash moved
# 2012-04-02 21:36:11
keymaps 0-2,4-6,8-9,12
alt_is_meta
include "linux-with-alt-and-altgr.inc"
strings as usual
keycode 1 = Escape
keycode 2 = one exclam
keycode 3 = two quotedbl
keycode 4 = three sterling
keycode 5 = four dollar dollar Control_backslash
keycode 6 = five percent
control keycode 6 = Control_bracketright
keycode 7 = six asciicircum
control keycode 7 = Control_asciicircum
keycode 8 = seven ampersand Control_underscore
keycode 9 = eight asterisk bracketleft Delete
keycode 10 = nine parenleft bracketright
keycode 11 = zero parenright braceright
keycode 12 = bracketleft braceleft
control keycode 12 = Escape
keycode 13 = bracketright braceright Control_bracketright
keycode 14 = Delete
keycode 15 = Tab
shift keycode 15 = Meta_Tab
keycode 16 = apostrophe at
control keycode 16 = Control_g
keycode 17 = comma less
keycode 18 = period greater
keycode 19 = p
keycode 20 = y
keycode 21 = f
keycode 22 = g
keycode 23 = c
keycode 24 = r
keycode 25 = l
keycode 26 = slash question
control keycode 26 = Delete
keycode 27 = equal plus
keycode 28 = Return
alt keycode 28 = Meta_Control_m
keycode 29 = Control
keycode 30 = a
keycode 31 = o
keycode 32 = e
keycode 33 = u
keycode 34 = i
keycode 35 = d
keycode 36 = h
keycode 37 = t
keycode 38 = n
keycode 39 = s
keycode 40 = minus underscore backslash Control_underscore Control_underscore
keycode 41 = grave notsign bar nul
control keycode 41 = nul
keycode 42 = Shift
keycode 43 = numbersign asciitilde
control keycode 43 = Control_backslash
keycode 44 = semicolon colon
keycode 45 = q
keycode 46 = j
keycode 47 = k
keycode 48 = x
keycode 49 = b
keycode 50 = m
keycode 51 = w
keycode 52 = v
keycode 53 = z
keycode 54 = Shift
keycode 56 = Alt
keycode 57 = space
control keycode 57 = nul
keycode 58 = Caps_Lock
keycode 86 = backslash bar bar Control_backslash
keycode 97 = Control
If anyone can tell me how to suggest this variant be included in the default install, I would appreciate it...
Lee
Last edited by leejkennedy (2014-04-24 21:10:39)

You might want to install the keyboard layout from AUR (workman-git). The console workman keymap is not part of the default installation.

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