FCE and Canon HV20/30

I'm about to upgrade my camera. Anyone hear or experience any problems with compatibility between the above cameras and FCE3.5HD?
Thanks.
ps Is it worth upgrading to FCE4?

Short and sweet, answers I like. I assume you've done good work with the HV20?

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Live capture with FCE 4 and Canon HV20 - End of Tape when capture in HD

I have a Canon HV20 HiDef video camera that was given to me to record an event. I want to try and avoid using the tapes if possible and capture the video directly into my MacBook Pro using FCE 4.
If I try and capture video when the camera is set to HD output, the capture screen comes up, I can see the image from the camera on the FCE4 screen for a split second, then I get a message indicating the end of tape has been encountered. (The tape isn't even being used and is no where near the end anyway).
If I change the camera to DV output, I can change the FCE4 Easy Setup to simple DV control and it works fine to capture live, except that it is no longer in HD. I get no error message about the tape end being hit.
I am unable to find any Easy Setup configuration that will allow me to record live. Any suggestions?
Thanks.

Play your tape forward to a position where there is continuous Timecode and try again.
As Ian suggests the correct _AIC Easy Setup_ is the only way to get HDV in to your Mac via FCE.
Note: Your camera must be set to output HDV assuming it recorded HDV.
Al

Device control in FCE of Canon HV20

This question doesn't seem to be have answered very succinctly in other posts, though it seems to have been touched on.
I am trying to capture HDV footage into FCE from a Canon HV20 camera. I want to be able to log and capture the footage, but I can't seem to be able to use the log and capture function, as I cannot control the HV20 camera through FCE. Is this normal? I am able to do this fine in Final Cut Pro. Is there a reason why this would be different between the two apps??
Any help or plugins or just a "yeah, you're out of luck", would be much appreciated.

Hi Tom,
The original footage was recorded on a HDV tape. HV20 recording setup: HD STANDARD is "HDV", COMP OUT is "1080i".
My HV20 is connected via a DV cable (IEEE 1394) from the HDV/DV port to the Firewire 400 port on the back of the iMac. The only other connected component is the keyboard with a wireless mighty mouse. As for the HV20 setup, PLAYBACK STD is "HDV", COMP OUT is "1080i", DV OUTPUT is "HDV/DV". One thing I did notice, is that as soon as I connect the firewire to the HV20, PLAYBACK STD and DV OUTPUT are grayed out in the playback setup menu.
I'm using FCE 4.0 (pre-installed last week by Apple), set for HD, HDV Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60, using "all rates". My scratch disk is defaulted to the iMac HD with over 450GB. When I then execute a capture, I first get prompted for a file name, then I get a black screen with the Apple logo in the center and the "Cueing Tape - press ESC..." msg while the HV20 tape begins to play. When this occurs, the HV20 LCD turns blue and the following text appears: PLAYBACK STD LOCKED, PLAYBACK IS RESTRICTED. Once I press ESC, the HV20 tape stops, the black screen disappears, and no capture files...
If I try a NTSC DV setting, I am able to capture from the HV20 - this said, as well as the fact that my iMac does recognize that I have a HV20 connected via the firewire port (see below), I am therefore assuming that my connection is correct and working properly.
Below are my current system settings:
*System Software Overview:*
System Version: Mac OS X 10.5.2 (9C31)
Kernel Version: Darwin 9.2.0
Boot Volume: Macintosh HD
Boot Mode: Normal
*Final Cut Express:*
Version: 4.0
Last Modified: 05/02/08 1:17 PM
Kind: Universal
Get Info String: Final Cut Express 4.0, Copyright © 2002-2007 Apple Inc.
Location: /Applications/Final Cut Express.app
*QuickTime Player:*
Version: 7.4.1
Last Modified: 13/02/08 7:42 AM
Kind: Universal
Get Info String: 7.4.1, Copyright © 1989-2008 Apple Inc. All Rights Reserved
Location: /Applications/QuickTime Player.app
*Hardware Overview:*
Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.8 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 4 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 800 MHz
Boot ROM Version: IM71.007A.B01
SMC Version: 1.21f4
Serial Number: QP806019ZCT
*FireWire Bus:*
Maximum Speed: Up to 800 Mb/sec
HV20:
Manufacturer: Canon
Model: 0x10
GUID: 0x8500014D0170
Maximum Speed: Up to 100 Mb/sec
Connection Speed: Up to 100 Mb/sec
Sub-units:
HV20 Unit:
Unit Software Version: 0x10001
Unit Spec ID: 0xA02D
*ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro:*
Chipset Model: ATI,RadeonHD2600
Type: Display
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x9583
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-B2250F-219
EFI Driver Version: 01.00.219
Displays:
iMac:
Display Type: LCD
Resolution: 1920 x 1200
Depth: 32-bit Color
Built-In: Yes
Core Image: Hardware Accelerated
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
Display Connector:
Status: No display connected
Intel ICH8-M AHCI:
Vendor: Intel
Product: ICH8-M AHCI
Speed: 3.0 Gigabit
Description: AHCI Version 1.10 Supported
*WDC WD5000AAKS-40YGA0:*
Capacity: 465.76 GB
Model: WDC WD5000AAKS-40YGA0
Revision: 58.01E02
Serial Number: WD-WCAS84640808
Native Command Queuing: Yes
Queue Depth: 32
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
Mac OS 9 Drivers: No
Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Volumes:
*Macintosh HD:*
Capacity: 465.44 GB
Available: 439.61 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk0s2
Mount Point: /
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Buzz

Final Cut Studio 2 and Canon hv20

I'm currently working on Final Cut Studio 2 and I'm looking at buying a Canon HV20. I've looked into some threads on this one and it seems that people are having trouble with this camera on FC Studio 2. Is there anyone out there that can attest to smooth and efficient workflow with this set up? A major selling point for me is the 24p, tell me it works well, please tell me it works well.
thank you,
t r e y v o n

HV20 works perfectly at 24p in FCP 6.0.2.
Added advantage is that you can capture uncompressed (with HDMI card and fast drive/RAID) at much higher quality and resolution than HDV.
Quality is so good, you can create great 1920 x 1080 24p green screen shots (using 4:2:2 color space from HDMI) and dvMatte Pro 3.
The next step up to get better quality at 24p is around $5K-$6K range (I think?).
Here's a small image of a 24p frame shot on green screen with the HV20:
http://www.ecophones.com/embed/printplace.jpg

Which firewire cable for new MacBook Pro and Canon HV20?

I just bought a new MacBook Pro and want to transfer video from my Canon HV20 camcorder (using FinalCut Express). The Canon instructions say to use a "DV cable" and I've learned that the MacBook Pro only has an "800 fire wire" port. Can someone give me the exact type of cable that I should get (even my local Apple Store couldn't help me).
Thanks!

I'm surprised that the folks at the Apple Store couldn't guide you. You just need a firewire cable with the proper fw400 connector on one end and a fw800 connector on the other. Here's one source for both cables and adapters:
http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orders6.cgi?id=ID7468267&rsite=google.comsearc&r code=&action=Cat&search=FIREWIRE

FCE and Canon Files

I have a six month old Canon Vixia HF R100 and latest Final Cut Express on the latest 21 inch iMac.
When I try to import video I can see in the preview window, using log and capture, the import icon spins for a few seconds and turns into a red exclamation point. From what I have been reading FCE does not support .mts files (known as AVCHD "lite"?) that the Canon shoots.
Is this correct and is there a reasonable workaround? The Canon box doesn't refer to the AVCHD as being "lite". Thanks for comments.

Sadly, the Canon camcorders often use a Canon-specific implementation of H.264 (MPEG4-AVC / H.264). It is not AVCHD or AVCHD-Lite but instead is a subset of the H.264 specification that they chose to implement.
As David indicated in his earlier post, try using either MPEG Streamclip or Clipwrap to convert your video files to QuickTime/Apple Intermediate Codec. (You will not need the QT MPEG2 Component because your camera does not record to MPEG2, it records to MPEG4-AVC / H.264.) In FCE you will then use File > Import > Files to bring them into FCE.

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Just installed a copy of Premier elements 9 onto a new laptop and when I capture footage in HD 1080i the captured footage is pixalated with green pixals. When I import using same cable and port in Standard def the caputed footage is fine.
Any clues as to what I am doing wrong/
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Graham
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Just for grins I tried to capture directly from the HV20 into PrE instead of going through HDVSplit. Capture worked without issue so I don't think there is a compatability problem between the camcorder and PrE. NOTE: my HV20 is NTSC and not PAL.
You may want to attempt to capture from the camcorder without a tape to further isolate the issue. This can be done by putting the camcorder in camera mode and simply capturing the footage. If this works and the tape capture does not then there is an issue with tape playback. If the non-tape and tape capture don't work then you either have an issue with the camera or the setup/hardware on your computer. It would be worth while to try to connect the camcorder to another computer.

FCE and Canon Vixia HF s21 Dual Flash media

I have searched the forum for feedback on whether Final Cut Express has any file and transfer issues with a camera that has both SDHD cards and an internal hard drive, like the Canon Vixia HF s21 Dual Flash Memory Camcorder.
Before I make the purchase, I just wanted to make sure if there are any problems with this set-up when doing log and transfer and whether the HF s21 or the Canon Vixia HFS 200 would be better in working with Final Cut Express 4.0.1 in a newsroom setting on MacBook Pros running Snow Leopard? I am supposing based on checking the forum that since both are AVCHD cameras all will be fine, but I wanted to check.
Thanks,
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Thanks. Being the old newsroom hand that you are, a follow-up question. I am in the process of recommending a switch away from PC/Premium Elements video production to Final Cut and Macs for my newsroom. But we are only able to upload .flv or mpeg4 files to our website. My (hopefully not illiterate) notion is to shoot in HD on one of these Canons, import and edit into Final Cut and export out as .flvs or mpeg4 for upload to the paper's site. Am I missing something in this or is there another, better workflow under these constraints?
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Visual Communicator and Canon HV20

I am unable to see the connected camera on Visual Communicator. I have it set for DV/SP, auto and visual communicator cannot see it.

Moved from the Creative Cloud to the Visual Communicator forum. They will be able to help you here.

Recording to iMovie from Canon HV20

Hi,
I have IMovie 10.0.2 and Canon HV20 connected through the Firewire. I can control the camera in "Play" mode (Start|Stop|Revind) but I cannot control it in "Camera" mode. The Record button is absent and a message "Camera Not Controllable" appears. I want to Start|Stop recording. Is it possible?

Just did some testing with my HV20.
Doesn't seem to be possible to actually record directly into iMovie 10. I tried to use the "import" button. The camera starts running but nothing is really imported.
The only way I managed is to use Quictime 10 to record from the camera (that will work). It will give you a h264 .mov video, that you can import into iMovie.
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Can't Share (export) iMovie 6 project to Canon HV20

I'm running iMovie 6.0.4 under Mac OS 10.5.1.
I keep encountering the same error when trying to export a completed iMovie project back to HDV tape. I select Share -> Video Camera but keep getting an error message saying "Cannot Export to Camera, Your FireWire camera is not powered on or is not available. This also can happen if you added or removed a device from FireWire. Please try again."
Needless to say I've tried, tried and tried again trying a variety of different connection and powering-up processes. The camcorder is also in the correct mode.
I have connected the camcorder before and been able to export completed iMovie projects. So I don't think it's a hardware issue or an incompatibility issue. The only thing I can possible think of is I might of been using 10.5 when I last successfully completed this process. I'm now using 10.5.1.
So I'm at a loss. Has anyone experienced this before or know of a work around? I guess for now I'm going to "Share to a file, for sending to a camera later" and hopefully be able to export the completed project to tape in the future.

I have the MacBookPro and Canon HV20. I use both iMovie08 and iMovie06HD. The 6HD allows me to (a) Produce a better quality DVD than the 08 does and (b) export the movie back to the MiniDV tape on my Canon HV20 camcorder. I use the DV-Firewire cable to connect the HV20 to MacBookPro. There is no problem when I transfer the movie from HV20 to MacBookPro, but I cannot transfer it from MacBookPro to HV20, no matter how many times I reload the 06HD. My camcorder is connected directly to the MacBookPro. Are you always able to transfer your movies from MacBookPro to your HV20? If yes, I will appreciate a step by step process you use. Thanks.
April 12, 2008

Canon HV20 HDV Camcorder and FCE / Firewire

Hey Folks:
I just got off the phone with B&H Photo, one of the larger camera companies. After a long call, the guys feel the HV20 will be a pretty good choice as a DV camera. I can't seem to confirm whether is firewire, I know it's USB however. Anyone know?
Thanks
FFF

Hi(Bonjour!
See this link for a HV20 review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-camcorders/canon-hv20-mini-dv/4505-6500_7-321726 25.html
IE-1394 is the generic name for firewire (a term specific to Apple world). HV 20 use this protocol.
Here's features that you have to check to get the best image quality:
3 CCD or 3 CMOS, unlockable manual adjustment for: white balance, shutter speed, iris, gain, focus, zoom ring. Long lasting battery. Tape based system, input for audio jack 1/8 or better: XLR. Large lens opening for low light condition.
The form factory is also a consideration. A bulkier camcorder tends to be more steady in the hand.
Michel Boissonneault

Canon HV20 and HDV footage

Hello All,
I recently purchased a Canon HV20, but have only recorded and edited in SD DV.
Today I was reading a clip on the internet that gave me a bit of a surprised. Here is a part of the clip,
[This article was first published in the Sept/Oct, 2007, issue of
Larry's Final Cut Pro Newsletter.]
First, Allan Tépper writes:
I am writing to offer help for Justin Ascott's 24p workflow with the Canon HV20. The 24p recording of the Canon HV20 has much in common with the 24p recording of the Sony HVR-V1.
To answer Justin Ascott specifically: The FCP Easy Setup called HDV-1080/24p will not work with 24p footage from the HV20 or the Sony V1. "
Has anyone here had any experience with FCE and capturing HDV footage from a Canon HV20? Is the statement above true?
Thanks for your help.
Mike

I wonder why my PAL one doesn't do 24p?
Normal HDV will work perfectly with FCE except it will have to be converted into the Apple Intermediate Codec.
The Easy Setup is "HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60".
I don't think shooting in HDV and then converting to SD DV will look any better than normal SD but you will have the HDV master tape which can be used to produce Blu-ray DVDs at a later date when they become cheaper and more popular.
An hour of AIC will take around 40 GB of HD space.
As with everything it is worth doing quick tests involving something unimportant to determine which workflow suits you. Use DVD-RWs when testing to avoid waste.
Remember that you can export your HDV edited project back to tape in your camera and connect it to an HD TV for high definition playback.
I am not too keen on this because of the extra wear it puts on the camera and tape.
Message was edited by: Ian R. Brown

IMovie: I uploaded HDV video from a Canon HV20 and then to YouTube. The video and the audio are out of sync. The audio seems to precede the video by a tiny bit which is disconcerting. Any recommendations about how to correct this? Thank you.

I downloaded video via iMovie from my Canon HV20. The video was in HDV. I then published it to YouTube and Vimeo and in both cases, the audio is out of sync: the video precedes the audio by a fraction of a second. The original is fine as viewed in the camera.
Any suggestions as to why and how to correct it?
Thank you,
David

Anything here help?
iMovie: Improving audio and video synchronization
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25603?viewlocale=en_US

Canon HV20 24P HDV workflow, Some things with FCP and Quicktime are ODD.

Canon HV20, 24P, HDV, CMOS sensor...
First, I do hope and pray that the FCP dudes are making this work native at HDV 24p -- great!
But until then, there's a workflow (see below) and a real oddity I can't figure out, and if anyone has any thoughts about it that would be great.
Sometimes, the image captured/shown/exported is a lighter picture, and other capture/playing/export methods are darker picture. Example: the captured 60i from Final Cut Pro has a light gamma picture when viewed in Quicktime Player.
But playback in Final Cut Pro appears darker, and rich. But then exporting it out turns it light again, but export out to a MPEG-2 DVD is darker again? ODD.
Can anyone explain the FCP capture size of 1888 x 1062?
Anyhow, here is some workflow success that I had.
Capturing in Final Cut Pro using the HDV 1080/60i setting with HDV firewire basic NDF. But 60i is evil. So that's not enough. Got to get it to 24P,since that allows 20% more bandwidth, space, faster renders, and DVD players can play it.
Transcoding to a regular editing codec before converting to 24P is required. I found that MPEG Streamclip would create a wierd, jagged edges on small moving figures with high contrast, no matter what the settings, so I refuse to use it to export the footage.
So instead, FCP has an additional capture option of "Apple Intermediate Codec" or something like that, which transcribes it on the fly to AIC. I always stayed away from AIC like the plague, but they must have spent some time with it because it's nearly identical to the HDV original.
Next, open up in Quicktime Player, and start the clip on that second P frame. Sounds odd, I know. Goto the first interlaced frame, and back up two frames. Mark the "I", and then move that Out marker to the end, and then Trim the clip to the selection. Do that with all the clips, and then you can batch 24P them all.
If you don't want to find that one frame each time, here are the other settings:
First, open up the clip inside cinema tools, and then select Rev. Telecine button.
Find out which of these your clip is doing at the very beginning:
p-p-i-i-p - aa
p-i-i-p-p - bb
i-p-p-p-i - bc
p-p-p-i-i - cd
i-i-p-p-p - this is no good. must remove at least one frame from the beginning of source file
i = interlaced frame
p = progressive frame
all settings use the F1-F2, style one, standard upper/lower

Sometimes, the image captured/shown/exported is a lighter picture, and other capture/playing/export methods are darker picture. Example: the captured 60i from Final Cut Pro has a light gamma picture when viewed in Quicktime Player.
But playback in Final Cut Pro appears darker, and rich. But then exporting it out turns it light again, but export out to a MPEG-2 DVD is darker again? ODD.
This is known. This happens with ANY footage you look at in FCP and QT player. QT lightens the gamma of the footage. Why? Something to do with adjusting the image for computer monitors.
Shane

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