FCE4 will not log and capture long clips.

FCE4 will not capture clips 3 min. or longer from a Canon HF100. It just gives an error mark at the end of the process with no explanation. The capture process freezes on long clips with the Canon HV 30. I can capture short clips with both but nothing over 3 min. Help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

Yes, I use the log and transfer for the HF100 AVCHD. I have transfered and edited several 1-2 min. clips but I am trying to transfer a 9 min. clip and at the end of the transfer process FCE4 displays a error mark next to the clip with no explanation as to why there was an error in the transfer. I use the capture mode for the HV30 and I have also captured and edited 1-2 min. clips but the 9 min. clip freezes after a few minutes of capturing. I am using a Western Digital external drive with USB connection for the scratch disc. I have no problems with short clips just the 9 min. one. Any ideas. Thanks

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14) That’s when FCP started treating me like a total idiot “are you sure you want to do this, you’d better be because there’s no going back. Are you really, really sure…” Anyway for me since this is the only project on this machine I didn’t even read the warnings [yes I am an impatient idiot] **** the torpedoes full steam ahead..
15) Done! NOT Quite yet. You’d think that since I un-checked the “Duplicate selected clip and place into new project,” that FCP would be smart enough to place the new clips in my project window. Didn’t happen, had to control click and import files.
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I won’t bore everyone with going through the steps I’ll just explain how this one was different.
1) I didn’t use the DV Start/Stop option, instead marked I/O separately leaving at least 2 frames between edits to make sure there was discontinuous timecode.
2) I also didn’t bother naming or logging at this point and left whatever ridiculous name the subclip process assigned.
3) The settings in the Media Manager were all set from the previous conversion hit OK [this time read the warnings which would have done nothing to correct the previous attempt].
4) 12 subclips went in and 12 new independent clips came out.
5) Once I had the new clips I logged and added descriptions and labels etc…
Although this sounds like a very convoluted process, and it is certainly much more difficult than it needs to be, by the fourth tape it was predictable and quite fast.
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