FCP and ProTools

Dear All,
I have just done a project by using FCP and STP. To be honest, the roundtripping of FCP and STP is just too good to be true. When you work on the same computer, it works ok, except sometimes messing up the wave graphic. However, when we move to project to another computer, which is very common for any kind of collaboration, the files just have difficult time to reconnect and/or reconform. That's the first point.
The other point is that: In most of the sound mix stuido, they use ProTools. For our low budget films, we likely do the pre-mix and effects by ourselves and take all the tracks to well-facilitated stuido for final mixing or just a listening session. In this case, isn't it easier and nicer if we are also using ProTools for our pre-mix?
Then the questions are:
1./ I wonder if FCP and ProTools have something similar to roundtripping function between FCP and STP. I know FCP and ProTools are actually from two rivial companies, and I just wonder if there is some not-too-difficult workarounds to reconform the files, or any third parties software for reconforming. For our productions, changing things during pre-mix is quite often, so reconforming is actually important to us.
2./ As we mainly just use ProTools for simple editing, effects and mostly mixing, what kind of ProTools package will be suitable to us? Actually, what we need the ProTools to hook up is just a pair of Adam AX monitors, so we don't need too much I/O. Also, we already have an AJA KONA to connect the monitors. I wonder if we can just buy the software itself.
Thanks in advance.

When you say ProTools outputting individual aiff, is it a mix down file?
Yes. I have certain audio configurations that we need to output for the networks. Ch1 & 2 are a stereo mix, then CH3&4 might be Mix minus Music, then Ch5 Mono Dialog, Ch6 Mono Prod Audio. Ch7&8 SFX....9 and 10 Stereo music.
So the mixer mixes down what we need for the various tracks.
Also, as I change my film, is there any way to update the found files in ProTools?
Don't change your cut. You should not be sending the audio to the mix if you aren't done cutting. You wait until you have picture lock, then send the audio. If there is a change, then you re-export the OMF, they reconform, and send new tracks. HOW does the audio guy conform? Got me...I just know that they can.
Shane

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