FCP-compressor-NTSC/PAL workflow problems...

Hello there,
I'm writing this thread on behalf of a collegue of mine who is in a bit of a pickle... I've been on the phone to him all morning and i'm stumped...
He's just finished offline-editing a new feature film by Nicolas Roeg (walkabout, performance etc) and needs to churn out a DVD for viewing-update purposes, here is the tech info followed by the problem...
ok... so, in FCP he has the sequence and media at photoJPEG quality.
The editing timebase for the sequence is 24 fps.
The problem is that he wants to make a PAL DVD, but when he goes into Compressor, and applies the relevant settings, it always comes out as NTSC...?
I've been on the phone to him, and we've both had little test sequences open (only 10" long sequence) to talk through the work-flow, and as I'm not an advanced Compressor user, I can't find ANYTHING in preferences that sets the PAL/NTSC option.
I am under the impression that it is a FCP setting that actually maked the difference... ie, he is currently using photoJPEG, 24fps... which should (for a PAL DVD) be at 25fps, DV quality.
So how do we turn a photoJPEG 24fps sequence into a PAL 25fps file that can be squidged in Compressor to make a PAL DVD...
I hope I'm making sense... and HUGE thanks in advance for any help.
regards,
J

Perhaps do an intermediate first? The automatic settings in compressor are designed to choose which frame rate it thinks is best for you, so will make the wrong decision sometimes, in terms of your desired output. Try making a new mpeg2 setting, based on the preset for dvd, and change the frame rate to 25. It will then force it to pal 25. Or if it doesn't look great, change to a quicktime first with the same settings as your mate's sequence output, apart from the frame rate which you should force to 25. Then put this new movie back into compressor with the dvd setting.
Try it on a short clip first (a minute or so), then you won't waste time with something that isn't going to work.

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Compressor NTSC/PAL workflow problems...

Hello there, before i begin i admit i have double-posted this on the FCP discussions too...
I'm writing this thread on behalf of a collegue of mine who is in a bit of a pickle and doesn't have internet/forum access... I've been on the phone to him all morning and i'm stumped...
He's just finished offline-editing a new feature film by Nicolas Roeg (walkabout, performance etc) and needs to churn out a DVD for viewing-update purposes, here is the tech info followed by the problem...
ok... so, in FCP he has the sequence and media at photoJPEG quality.
The editing timebase for the sequence is 24 fps.
The problem is that he wants to make a PAL DVD, but when he goes into Compressor, and applies the relevant settings, it always comes out as NTSC...?
I've been on the phone to him, and we've both had little test sequences open (only 10" long sequence) to talk through the work-flow, and as I'm not an advanced Compressor user, I can't find ANYTHING in preferences that sets the PAL/NTSC option.
I am under the impression that it is a FCP setting that actually maked the difference... ie, he is currently using photoJPEG, 24fps... which should (for a PAL DVD) be at 25fps, DV quality.
So how do we turn a photoJPEG 24fps sequence into a PAL 25fps file that can be squidged in Compressor to make a PAL DVD...
I hope I'm making sense... and HUGE thanks in advance for any help.
regards,
J

Perhaps do an intermediate first? The automatic settings in compressor are designed to choose which frame rate it thinks is best for you, so will make the wrong decision sometimes, in terms of your desired output. Try making a new mpeg2 setting, based on the preset for dvd, and change the frame rate to 25. It will then force it to pal 25. Or if it doesn't look great, change to a quicktime first with the same settings as your mate's sequence output, apart from the frame rate which you should force to 25. Then put this new movie back into compressor with the dvd setting.
Try it on a short clip first (a minute or so), then you won't waste time with something that isn't going to work.

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Hi everyone, I'm using fcp 8 to start off with. I had a customer ask me if I can make a ntsc video into pal so she can send it to her relatives in europe. I still have the project in fcp. Is this done during the export or is it done in idvd? thanks for your help.

As a QuickTime file?
The TV Standard does not matter. Computers don't care whether it is NTSC or PAL.
Does she want to send a DVD?
Most PAL set top DVD players can handle NTSC discs without conversion. Even the cheap ones.
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What is the delivery format of the finished movie?
If it's going to DVD, 99% of PAL players will handle NTSC discs without issues.
If it is for transfer to tape or you need to be sure of having a working DVD for the other 1% and you are doing this regularly, look at setting up a relationship with a post house that has a hardware based standards converter from Snell & Wilcox or Teranex. You will get great results in real time and a real expert operating the thing. Shop around for the best deal.
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Now my problem is that the conversion company didn't compensate the modification of colors during the conversion. So now I have a file in pal (no compression 8bit) but the colors are lighter then the original file in NTSC.
Can someone tip me on a way to modify the colors in Final cut pro of my file in PAL? I know how to use most of the filters, but I don't now much about doing it professionally. I was hoping that there could be a filter or a plugin that is made for my kind of problem, and I'm afraid of making a mistake because I never prepaired a file for a betacam tape before. Do I have to be carefull with the percentage of black or of white? Do I have to work in RGB or YUV?
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Hi mish,
that is such a .. <searching correct english word> hillarious (?) idea, I give you a star for that ;-)))
changing some flags on a ready-made dvd... wow! nice try...- but as Fred said, NTSC<<>>PAL conversions are no trivial tasks... you run into many problems, e.g. where do you get the additonal 5 frames per second you need for a transfer from PAL to NTSC? how to make the audio fit to these new pictures? and, I HAVE to do this silly joke: NTSC has a very different color concept (Never The Same Color) then PAL.. and for sure a different res...
the name is irritating, but all mighty JES Deinterlacer is doing a fantastic job in converting video standards (ok, for a free software solution...) give that a try!

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Call me naive, but I've not heard of splitting the stereo pairs like this before.
What broadcaster? (perhaps one of our EU regulars will drop in...)
You can do all sorts of pairing but it is coincident tracks pairing- eg 1/2 + 3/4
Sorry I can't offer anything.
x

Is Quicktime 10 messing with my FCP/Compressor exports?

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Hi dianeh,
most many/all dvdplayers over here are able to
read/playback NTSC dvds... no problem at all...
second:
export whole project as QT dv stream (1h = 13GB)...
import that into JES Deinterlacer, for free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html
choose conversion NTSC>PAL
another 13Gig per hour....
import THAT into iDVD
burn PAL version.......
hope I could be helpful
Tank you-I'll give it a try!!

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Hi
Trying to reinstall final cut suite 2, but getting an error during start up (fcp cannot open due to problem) then a big long log/error list which i have no idea what to do with.
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Process:         Final Cut Pro [1164]
Path:            /Applications/Final Cut Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Final Cut Pro
Identifier:      com.apple.FinalCutPro
Version:         6.0.6 (6.0.6)
Build Info:      FCPApp-905291121~12
Code Type:       X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [110]
Date/Time:       2011-06-28 11:24:13.495 +0100
OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.6.8 (10K540)
Report Version: 6
Interval Since Last Report:          133307 sec
Crashes Since Last Report:           520
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   7
Anonymous UUID:                      D078FA7D-43BA-4DF3-876A-E188124EBC6E
Exception Type: EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
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Hi Crojet,
This sounds strange but I have the same problem you had over a year ago with your FCP not opening up with the exact same error messages that you had. I am curious but did you ever resolve the problem? What did you do?
Thank you so much for your time.

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I live in the UK where we have PAL...I have a big job to do that is NTSC HDV...
What can I use to play out the tapes into my FC2.....
I have a sony HC7 buts its PAL....I also have access to couple of bigger sony cameras that play Ntsc/Pal but dont have HDMI to access the full HDV to capture it using Pro Rez via my Blachmagic card/HDMI////....
What is best to hire>>>>>

Thanks for your reply....
NO the material is in NTSC and that is what i want to keep it in for NTSC DVD release....Its just that the camera i have is PAL....
And I need to find something with HDMI out to access the raw HDV format....
Cheers
ROB

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Greetings-
I am having an issue getting 3'rd party codecs to show up in my export dialogs in QT, FCP, Compressor and Shake. The 2 codecs in question are Kona uncompressed and Avid.
When attemtping to export files through FCP, QT, Compressor or Shake these codecs do not show up anywhere in the export dialogs- however they DO show up in the export dialog for Cleaner.
I'd appreciate and all thoughts/ideas
Thanks!

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Question - What is the best (PAL) workflow to convert HDV interlaced to DV progressive?
Software: Pr, En and Ae - all CS4.
My Camera: (Sony Z1) shoots HDV 1080i.
When capturing and editing, I keep everything HDV and interlaced.
Premiere Pro:
Capture HDV - mpeg 1440 x 1080 (1.3333)
Sequence - 1440 x 1080 (1.3333) HD Anamorphic 1080 (1.333) Upper Field First - (HDV 1080i25 Preset)
Once edit is complete, I dynamically link sequences into Encore.
Question - Should I dynamically link to Encore or export sequence from Pro?
If you aren't a fan of dynamically linking the sequences and believe exporting the sequences from Premiere Pro is the way to go, please advise of best export settings. I assume during the export (from Pr) is when the converting from HDV interlaced to DV progressive takes place?
At present, I dynamically link the sequences into Encore. This means Encore handles the conversion to DV progressive.
Question - What are the best (Encore) transcode settings to transcode HDV 1080i25 to DV progressive widescreen?
I've tried numerous workflows but as yet, I've not been 100% happy with any of them.
I'm finding it quite a challenge to take HDV 1080i and produce a good looking DVD i.e minimal artifacts and no interlaced jaggies.
I used to downconvert to DV in-camera during the capture process, but I'm finding I'm getting much better results by editing in HDV and downconverting during post. This is what my post is really all about i.e. finding the best workflow to do this.
I would be very keen to hear of how others are shooting and editing in HDV to then produce best/high quality DVDs.
Thanks for reading

Hi DaveMD,
Thank you so much for your Q&A post. It is so helpfull for me. I will test it right now. Unfortunatly for you, I reply your post with no answer, just a feedback..Sorry
Nevertheless, my details are :
Software: Pr, En and Ae - all CS4.
My Camera: (Sony FX-1000) shoots HDV 1080i.
Premiere Pro:
Capture HDV - mpeg 1440 x 1080 (1.3333)
Sequence - 1440 x 1080 (1.3333) HD Anamorphic 1080 (1.333) Upper Field First - (HDV 1080i25 Preset)
I have exported the media in DVD MPG (.m2v) from Premiere and Build the final DVD from that .m2v into Encore.
I have to say that I am not very happy with the final result when I convert into PAL Widescreen.
I can see little artefacts, flikers and jaggies...
- Do you think that this "double" DVD MPG export could lower the quality?
- Could it be the FullHD screen (1080x1920) on which I display the final result (PAL 720x572) that interprates the video?
Thank you for your lights !
Appia

G4 with OS X 10.4.11 and DVD's in various formats (NTSC, PAL, SECAM).

Can a G4 AGP Graphics “Sawtooth” running OS X 10.4.11 Tiger play DVD's in the various regional formats (such as NTSC, PAL, and SECAM) an unlimited number of times, or is there a limit to how often the capability to play a particular format can be switched to the capability to play a different one?

Using an application such as VLC should optimize format playability. It may also help with the region code issue. The "number of times" isn't to do with the DVD format, it has to do with region codes set into the DVD by the media distributors. You can change that 5 times and then the DVD player is locked in forever. Try VLC and it may help with both the format playback and maybe get around the region code issue (disable Apple's own automatic DVD Player activation).
VLC media player - http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ - general media player that plays just about anything.
Niceplayer - http://code.google.com/p/niceplayer/

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