FCP Field Dominance Error? 1920x1080p displayed as interlaced!?

Can you answer this?
Why is a video file in a 1920x1080 progressive format said to have Upper (Odd) field dominance in the Final Cut Browser, which implies that it is interlaced, not progressive?
Here's the details.
(A)Video shot in HDV on a Sony Z5U at 1080p30 (1440x1080) is transcoded in Compressor to Photo - JPEG in 1920x1080p30, that's 1920x1080 with square pixels with progressive frames.
(B)The video is reopened in Compressor, which reads that it is, in fact, 1080p30 (1920x1080).
BUT!!!(C) When the video is opened in Final Cut's Browser, it reads that it has an Upper (Odd) field dominance, implying that it has an interlaced frame.
My Plea.
I can't figure this out, and I need to deliver some video. I have every reason to think my video is leaving Compressor in 1920x1080p30, but the field dominance info in Final Cut is holding me up.
If I remember right, Final Cut Studio 7 isn't able to handle 1920x1080p, only 1920x1080i and 1280x720p. Is this what's going on, maybe? Does Final Cut just not even know about 1920x1080p?
I very much appreciate any help.

Wow, such a quick answer and exactly what I was looking for. All problems solved and ready to deliver.
I always assumed most programs interpreted files as they loaded them into RAM, or something like that, which is when they would determine something like if a video file is progressive or interlaced. Knowing that Final Cut, instead, looks to a table of standard values when opening a file is great to know. Thanks a lot.
And lastly, about the sequence settings, I'm ready to deliver - the Compressor export to Photo - JPEG was the last step. I was only opening the file in Final Cut to confirm the right final format.
Thanks again for the help.
Matt
Epokhe Cut Media
http://www.epokhecutmedia.com

Similar Messages

Field dominance setting for progressive footage?

I'm still not sure about this subject.
I film with a Canon HF100. This is shooting progressive footage. I use a Imac, therefor the footage will be imported from a achvd to .mov files.
When I import it in FCE it will give automatically a fielddominance of upper odd. I heard I had to change it to fielddominace none. By mistake I edited a project without changing from Upper odd to none and there was nothing wrong with the project.
1. Is this true?
2. And why do I have to change it? What's the (technical) reason (try to understand it) and why doens't this go automatically?
Thank you!!

1) yes
2) ... field-dominance is a matter with interlaced footage ... in the older days, the many lines of a frame were splitted into two fields: even and odd lines. and funny as engineers often like to be, the odd lines (1,3,5,7,9, ... = don't neccessarily have to be the first (=dominant) field (.dv for instance: 'first' field is the even one 2,4,6,...)
progessive has no fields = no field dominance
but ..
some cams read out the chip progressive, but record the p frame as two identically i-fields! ... phewwww
summary:
if it works, don't change it ...

Field dominance = NONE

Is setting my field dominance to NONE in the sequence setting going to cause me problems down the line?
I have noticed that if I do the above (after a lengthy render) the graphics I place on the timeline, lower 3rds etc created in motion, appear a lot sharper.
All the footage I edit at the moment is SD interlaced and was wondering what problems this setting might cause or if there is a different workflow I should be looking at.
All finished work is turned in FLVs for the net.
Thanks

I do de-interlace with the flash encoder afterwards as I export the project back out as a QT. The resulting 3rds are always a lot sharper from a sequence with no field dominance.
Am I confused myself or is setting the field dominance to none effectively de-interlacing?

Field Dominance and De-interlacing: what settings to use?

I've been trying to read about, and understand, the issues of deinterlacing and field dominance/order, but I'm having problems and don't yet see what the clear solution is.
I'm shooting DV footage with a consumer grade camcorder:
Capture Preset: DV NTSC 48 kHz
Sequence Preset: DV NTSC 48kHz
720x480 NTSC DV
QT Video Compressor: DV/DVCPRO-NTSC
The problems are "teeth and vertical lines" in the quick movements and transitions, but fixing one (by changing the "Field Dominance" setting in the Sequence) makes the other slightly worse, it seems.
Or, maybe I should be using the de-interlacing filter on everything? I haven't found clear instructions about what destination material this should be used for...
I'd be grateful if someone could look at this web page containing examples of what I mean:
http://www.karma-lab.com/images-pub/apple-q/fielddom_nt.html
Picture 1: NTSC DV frame, from sequence set to "Lower (Even)"
Picture 2: NTSC DV frame, from sequence set to "None"
Picture 3: frame from "Cross Zoom" transition in "Lower (Even)" sequence
Picture 4: frame from "Cross Zoom" transition in "None" sequence
Questions:
1) What are the correct settings? it would seem to be "None", because otherwise my transitions all have "teeth" and look like somebody is viewing it cross-eyed, even at full speed you can see the teeth in the transitions. But if I set it to none, then it seems that quick movements of the people in the videos get slightly more "teeth" to them...
2) I am producing web video (quicktime/flash video movies). Not for TV or broadcast. Am I supposed to throw the de-interlacing filter on everything?
with "lower", it's jerky (half the frames missing, I guess) but the "teeth" go away
with "flicker-free", it's not jerky, but it gets a little fuzzy looking, and I want to keep things "crisp"...
I need less advice on the theory, and more advice on "set it like this for what you are doing." I've read some really technical explanations, and I understand why interlacing exists etc., but not exactly what I should be doing to get the optimal results for my needs, i.e. simply good-looking web video with decent motion and transitions, shot from a consumer level DV camcorder.
Thanks for reading!
G4 Dual 800 QuickSilver / PBook G4 Titanium Mac OS X (10.3.9)

What are the correct settings?
Since you mention that you've shot your material on a consumer-grade camcorder, that would mean that Field Dominance – in your FCP Sequence Settings – should be set to Lower. If you use None – and I'm sparing you the tech talk here – then you're basically rendering out at a reduced quality (as the last pic in your link demonstrates)
I am producing web video (quicktime/flash video movies). Not for TV or broadcast. Am I supposed to throw the de-interlacing filter on everything? with "lower", it's jerky (half the frames missing, I guess) but the "teeth" go away with "flicker-free", it's not jerky, but it gets a little fuzzy looking, and I want to keep things "crisp"...
If you really want to keep things crisp, you best quality option - within the Final Cut Studio suite of tools - is to Export Using Compressor, with the Deinterlace option in Compressor 2.x's Frame Controls to Better (Motion Adaptive) while setting your Output Fields to be Progressive (presuming that you'll exporting to QuickTime first, then converting to Flash. Having said that, this type of conversion can take a long time to process and may not be suitable if you're under a serious time constraint.
Otherwise, the speediest option is indeed to slap a Deinterlace filter onto everything (or nest your sequence then place the filter on the nest) but the quality isn't always what folks would like.

24p DVX footage Lower Even field dominance interlacing?

I've captured DVX 24p (not 24pA) footage. When I check Item properties for a clip FCP shows Lower (Even) under Field Dominance? Shouldn't it be Progressive or is it because 24p was captured using a 29.97 timeline in FCP as opposed to 24pA.
I am seeing horizontal lines during motion when played back on DVD? Is that interlacing? Where did I go wrong.

Look, you really need to wrap your head around 24p, 30p, 24pA and 30i.
Interlace is not an ugly issue. It is a benefit. Interlacing normal on broadcast television. Your TV scans down and back up for each frame... alternating lines. When you shoot 24p on the DVX it puts it to tape where for every 3 frames of progressive it combines FOUR frames to give you TWO additional combined (interlaced) frames. So.. there are 6 sets of 5 frames per 1 second giving you 30 frames per second. If you take those 3 progressive frames by themselves 3x6 is 24 frames per second.
You OBVIOUSLY want to final out to 29.97 or 30 fps so you'll need those extra 2x6 frames to get you to 30!! If you wanted to final out to 29.97 AND you wanted progressive frames for EVERY frame you should have shot 30p mode.
Now... when are they ugly? When you are standing still on a frame. When are they unnecessary? When you plan to show them on a computer or progressive monitor. Remember, even when shooting progressive and playing it on a TV you will STILL have the TV doing interlaced scans... the only difference is the down scan is taken from the same point in time as the up scan.
Plus... you don't capture TO a sequence... you capture the video and edit it IN a sequence. You can still capture the footage in 24p at 29.97 and remove those 2x6 extra frames and edit in a 23.98 sequence.
Do some reading. It will only help.
CaptM

Field Dominance (FCP) vs. Field Order (Motion)

I am having a time trying to figure out what's going on with my clips that I send to Motion. I'm working with video that is HDV1080i60 and has a Field Dominance: Upper (Odd). Now when I send a clip from the timeline and it opens in Motion, the video appears heavily interlaced and I have to go into Project Properties and change the Field Order: Upper First (Odd) to Field Order: None. After I make the change to Field Order: None, my slowed down wakeboarding/tubing clips look fantastic.
I don't understand why I have to make this change however. I'm sort of a noobie, learning how to apply speed changes and variable speed changes to clips. But I can also send unaltered clips to Motion and I run into the same issue.

One thing to know is that by default in FCP you are only seeing one field in the Canvas but in Motion by default you are seeing both fields - so that may be all that's going on.
To see both fields in FCP you need to set the Canvas to 100%; to see only one field in Motion, you deselect Field Rendering under the View pop-up menu (or Option-F IIRC).
When you slow a clip down, you can run into field problems, which is why choosing Field Dominance of None can be helpful. Better to work with material that was shot progressively to begin with, though.

Field dominance upon import into fcp problem

having changed the project setttings in livetype to comply to pal video with lower field dominance so that i can use it in my dv-based projects, i've tried both to open the livetype project directly into final cut pro and also to render the movie in livetype and import that into final cut pro.
in both cases, fcp sets field dominace to upper field.
on the cinema display lcd screen that doesn't seem to make any difference, but surprises lurke when outputting to dvd ....
in an attempt to bypass the problem i've changed project settings to 'none' and rendered the movie again.
in this case too, fcp insists the imported movie is upper field dominant...
is this an annomality in fcp's import routines and does it assume that all pal video that is not dv is upperfield dominant or is there a setting in eithere program that can fix this problem?
livetype 2.02
fcp 5.0.x
thanks

Is your drive formatted macosextended? Can you edit bars and tone into a new sequence? What happens if you duplicate an existing sequence, select all and delete? Can you then edit into this sequence?
Have you tried deleting your fcp preferences? Get preference manager from www.digitalrebellion.com to do this.
Have you installed or updated any new software or hardware on your system recently?

Not highlighting error fields in subform when displaying FacesMessages

Hi,
I am trying to display FacesMessage on UI and highlight the errored field. It is working as expected if my fields are NOT in subform like this:
<af:form>
<af:inputText label="Label 159" id="it5"/>
<af:commandButton text="commandButton 2" id="cb3"
action="#{viewScope.backing_testFormLayout.validateRecordset}"/>
</af:form>
java codes:
public String validateRecordset() {
FacesContext fc = FacesContext.getCurrentInstance();
fc.addMessage("it5", new FacesMessage(FacesMessage.SEVERITY_ERROR,
"Parameter Name is required",
null));
return null;
However, if my fields are in subform, the FaceMessage error is displayed, but the errored field ("it5") is not highlighted.
<af:form>
<af:subform id="s9">
<af:inputText label="Label 159" id="it5"/>
<af:commandButton text="commandButton 2" id="cb3"
action="#{viewScope.backing_testFormLayout.validateRecordset}"/>
</af:subform>
</af:form>
Any ideas?
Thanks
-Mina

Use s1:it5 as the id of the input Text component instead -
public String validateRecordset() {
FacesContext fc = FacesContext.getCurrentInstance();
fc.addMessage("s1:it5", new FacesMessage(FacesMessage.SEVERITY_ERROR,
"Parameter Name is required",
null)); On a sidenote its always better to use bean binding instead of hardcoded id's to avoid issues downstream during maintainance and changes when id changes.
Also add partialSubmit= true to avoid a full page submit.

Field Dominance problem and questions

I am trying to capture 24p Advanced DVCAM material. I've been using the easy setup. I've tried test captures of about 15 seconds (using capture now) which come into FCP with a field Dom. of NONE and load into my 23.98 sequence timeline with a olive green render indicator (I know I can edit with that as that is just a playback resolution downgrade). If I rewind to approx. the same start point on the tape and capture a 9 minute clip, it comes in with a field dominance of EVEN and loads into the exact same timeline with an orange render indicator. First off, that seems odd to me. Secondly, I've read in other forums that there is a possibility that I can change the field dom. of my longer clips and/or my sequence, but I'm not at all clear on it. Will changing the field dom. allow me to edit w/o render indicators? Do you think that it is the field dom. issue that is causing the render indicators' to appear, or could it be other issues. It seems to me that the fact that I can get the short clips to load with and olive green line, means that it probably is the field dom. issue that is causing my difficulties. Is there an error in my logic? I'm also unclear if I am able to tell FCP not to render in interlaced mode. Is that something I can do? Does it even apply to my situation?

Jerry,
Thanks for the reply. I've been "assured" (who knows what that means) that the material was shot advanced, but it might make sense for me to do a test to see if Cinema Tool pulldown removal solves my problem. Can I use the pulldown removal option in the FCP tools menu after I've captured or do I need to use Cinema Tool.
I must say I'm still baffled about my different length clips capturing with different properties even though I never changed any settings between captures. Any hunches on your part about that anomaly?

FCP keeps exporting progressive ProRes files as Interlaced

I have captured a clip from tape using 1920x1080 25i setting on Kona3 card with the ProRes HQ codec. The tape is progressive but there was no option to capture 1080 25psf so I was informed that 1080 25i would be fine.
FCP states the clip has Upper field dominance so I set it to 'None' and dropped it into a 1920x1080 ProRes HQ 25fps sequence.
The Sequence timeline settings were 'None' and the Prores Advanced codec options the Interlaced option was also unchecked. All fine, exported the clip based on Current Settings to render a new (progressive) Quicktime.
I then reimported the rendered clip it back into FCP and it stated that the rendered clip is still Upper Field dominant. Short of reencoding through Compressor (v slow and creates a second generation encoded file) I cannot seem to get FCP to export this material as progressive.
Is there a way I can just change the Field Dominance flag/tag of the clip within FCP or another application to "None" withut any rerenders/encodes?
Any help gladly appreciated as this is becoming a real mystery/headache!

Jerome Colas wrote:
If I manually change it for every source file to progressive (which should be done automaticallt by Compressor), I then get a progressive output.
But that defeats Compressor's purpose and is a source for error.
Jérôme.
I'm not sure what this means.
And I wonder whether it's a metadata thing and, and while disconcerting, whether it will have any practical effect on your project.
As a test try a single clip. Turn on frame controls with output fields set to progressive. See if it is now identified correctly. If it is bring that into FCP and compare against that against the one that is identified as interlaced.
If Frame Controls doesn't work, then I think I would use MPEG Streamclip. It's fast and has a very good batch feature.
Good luck.
Russ

Field dominance tab in Browser

I’d like to see field dominance Tab in Browser. Metadata Display option doesn’t offer this item. Profissionals need see this very clear, not hidden. Thanks!

It's absolutely the right place to discuss issues. That's what user groups are all about.
What I meant was that this is not the best channel to make a formal feature request because it will go unnoticed by the Adobe team. It needs to be a formal feature request at the link I provided.
I seldom need frequent access to field dominance controls because I am usually in control of most of my source material. Occasionally I receive footage from around the world which I have to combine. I then set field dominance on an ad hoc/ trial and error basis. A simple right-click on the timeline clip suits my low-level purposes. However, material shot with one particular field dominance doesn't always "swap across" with just the flick of a switch - as you can get unsightly combing on the action.
As a work-around to your issue, can you not do a batch encoding using AME with an intermediate codec.
You must be using an interlaced XDcam format. My PMW-EX1R set to 1080p25 has no field dominance, but then I'll bet you knew that already ;-)

Is there any way I can see field dominance?

I have been working on a project shot in HDV1080i50. Now I need to make a 14by9 PAL master in DigiBeta format. So I create an umcompressed PAL sequence and drop the final AIC 1080i50 version of the program into it.
Sending the uncompressed file off to be printed to DigiBeta the bureau says the fields are reversed. My problem is that I can't find any way to see the final project to see if I have got the field dominance right. Does anyone know of a tool that would let me look at the fields in the final Uncompressed print I generate. (when I play it on the computer screen it appears to play fine since computer monitors don't do interlaced)
thanks,
Paul Shard
Dual 1GHz Mac OS X (10.4.3) 1.75GB ATI9800, FCStudio

Hi Paul,
I've been battling these same issues, making DVD's from HDV footage, I didn't go via AIC, or out to a bureau, though.
I found that, the uncompressed codec, when dropped into compressor, is defaulted to a different field dominance than a DV codec, even though they were both lower field dominant in the FCP sequence.
I needed to manually change the dominance of the uncompressed movie, to lower, before I created an MPEG 2.
Can you tell the bureau to do the same ? That your footage is correct (lower first) but that they are not treating the uncompressed file as such.
What are they using, once you have given the file to them - compressor ?
The shift field filter is right. But the whole thing is quite confusing, and I found the default field dominance in compressor was different, if I printed an uncompressed file out, or exported directly from FCP to compressor (which is very slow, but does not require the uncompressed file).
However, regardless of the default compressor set, lower field dominance was correct, and the saved movie was correct for lower field.
Hope this helps.

Progressive Field Dominance vs Lower Field Dominance

I am putting a project together in FCP 5.1.4 Most assets are NTSC QT clips with lower field dominance. I have some PAL assets with Progressive field dominance. I am using a slow-PAL conversion method outlined here:
http://www.macworld.com/article/49306/2006/02/marchcreat.html
I just want to make sure my workflow is appropriate.
If I use Cinema Tools to convert frame rate to 23.98 and then Compressor to change aspect ratio, and finally FCP to add frames back in to arrive at 29.97 NTSC . . .
DO I NEED TO change the progressive field dominance to lower field dominance at ay point?
I will ultimately be outputting to DVD which may be viewed on either computer or video monitor.

From my rudimentary knowledge I believe that as opposed to upper or lower field dominance, the source asset was recorded as "progressive scan", which I assume means NO field dominance.
What I do not understand is, if I import assets into a FCP sequence that has a lower field dominance, then what happens to these assets in the timeline when I export them out of FCP to either mpeg2 for inclusion in a DVDStudioPro. Or as a compressed quicktime for a streaming video on the web.
I am concerned that progressive scan assets mixed with lower field dominance may cause weird interlacing artifacts when I ultimately playback the end project.
Don't know whether I'm overthinking this, but want to avoid hours of work in the wrong direction.
Help?

30p with a Canon XA10 - need help with Final Cut 7 "FIELD DOMINANCE" setting and an explanation of "drop frames". Thank you!!

I shot footage using a Canon XA10 and there are issues with the HD quality not looking as crisp as it should. I am trying to make sure the settings in Final Cut are right. Need help confirming what should be in "Field Dominance" --- have seen discussions about making sure it's set to "none" but I'm confused as to what to do.
Also someone suggested I use "drop frames" to change from 30p to 24p within Final Cut. He couldn't explain how to do it so any input appreciated as well as any thoughts on whether this is a good option to try.

If you're shooting 30p, field dominance should be set to none. Since you need to use log and transfer to bring this material in to fcp, I would assume it would be set correctly automatically. Are you sure you've set the camera properly?
Drop frames will not change 30 p to 24p. Dropframe timecode simply refers to the number assigned to each frame which drops an occasional number (not any frames) so the timecode duration is the actual duration, since 30p videoi is actually 29.97 frames per second which each frame assigned a timecode number.
This is very basic video stuff and requires some basic knowledge of video. Wikipedia is a pretty good resource for much of this stuff plus there are lots of great resources on the web. Look up interlaced and progressive video, 24p and 30p.
And as far as judging quality, you can only get an accurate view of the quality in fcp when you have a video card attached to a video monitor. The viewer and canvas are only an approximation of what the quality is. Minimally, set the canvas or viewer to 100% to get a better approximation of the quality.

Where do I set field dominance?

Hi,
A couple of months ago, I had edited a prgram in FCP 5. I deleted the footage after some time. Now my client has returned with some changes in the program. I re-digitized the footage & tried to re-connect it to the offline media in the timeline. However it fails to reconnect giving an error " The file does not have proper content to reconnect to " Final Edit 01" clip in sequence."
When I checked the logging info of the original clip & the re-digitized clip I found the difference in the settings of field dominance. the original is on
" Not set" while the Re-digitized is on " Even field" . I changed the settings in
" Sequence Settings" but doesn't help. Where else can I change the field dominance setting to capture the video?
Thanks.
Regards,
MANDAR
G5 Mac OS X (10.4.1)

This is the classic example of why one should NEVER load a project via Capture Now. ALWAYS mark your ins and outs and Log or Capture Clip.
That said, have you tried grabbing the clips in smaller chunks? You may find that one particular clip switches dominance and thereafter everything is switched. Try and capture the first clip only, see if it works. Then start working your way through. Otherwise, manually recreate your clips by typing in Ins and Outs, one by one.

FCP Field Dominance Error? 1920x1080p displayed as interlaced!?

Similar Messages

Maybe you are looking for