Feedbag Error 12?!

Okay why am I suddenly getting this weird error message. And what is a feedbag, you'd think they'd call it feedback.
Anyway I think its some kind of maximum buddies error -- but even it is its still not functioning correctly because if I delete a buddy then try to add a new one in its alleged spot I still get the error message.

Hi All,
Feedbag errors are messages back from the AIM servers.
They can be linked to what is in your Address Book for Contact with Screen name already. (so there is a link)
See the bottom
http://www.ralphjohnsuk.dsl.pipex.com/page13.html
I have heard of Feedbag 10, 17 and 14
These relate to your Buddy List being Full, (over 200) a Buddy already with a Real Name in the Address Book or a ICQ service problem (Also run by AOL)
So.
Does the "Real Name" you might be adding already exist in the Address Book ?
If so jsut add the screen name and see if that works
Does the New Buddy exist in your Blocked list ?
Possibly it is a name with special characters other than those allowed. @ is allowed as @mac.cam names and some other email types are recognised as AIM Screen names. Dots (.) are allowed for simialr reasons.
After that I think they are not allowed.
IS your Buddy List Full ?
This may need checking with an AIM client such as AIM for MAc as AIM has a "REcent Buddie" group that IChat is not set up for.
If you have ever used AIM on a Mac or PC all new contacts are automaiclly added. If you put them in different groups on iChat they can be in two groups and they are counted twice.
Solution is to open AIM somewhere and find the Recent Buddies group. Move or remove names then delete the Group. Dragging names to an group they are already in removes them from the one you are moving from.
Same for any name in two or more groups as they get counted twice.
Can I just check form both posters that one has Error 21 and the other Error 12 ? It seems a coincidence that both have the same digits and I wonder about a Typo or whether we have two new Feedbag errors.
11:29 AM Monday; August 6, 2007
Message was edited by: Ralph Johns (UK)

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I Cannot Add Buddies in iChat 4 and 5
Many people are reporting that they cannot add Buddies to either iChat 4 or iChat 5.
The Symptoms are that the Buddy appears in the Buddy List and then does the "Brightening/Fading" cycle but fails to be anywhere in the list including Off Line Buddies.
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Then go to the View Menu and Enable Show Off Line Buddies.
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See here for More
Note: AIM Protocols call Lists "Feedbags". Contents (Buddies) are "Food" and of course Food is kept in Feedbags.
The Address Book is one Feedbag in this case and the Screen Name (only) Buddy List held on the AIM Server is the other.
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Either:
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2) Use the Arrow head at the end of the Last Name line to open the Address Book and pick the Contact.
3) Open the Address Book and Edit their Card to Add the Screen Name, then drag them from the Name column to the iChat Buddy List.
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B) Parental Controls
There are similar Symptoms if the Mac User Account is subject to Parental Controls.
If the Mac User Account on the computer is not an Admin account it is a Standard or Managed one
A Managed one has Parental Controls Enabled.
There is a Tab for Mail and iChat.
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The Fix.
In this case if you are the Managed account you have to get the Admin account to add the Buddy to the Buddy allowed list in Parental Controls.
Exception
There is a very large exception.
Due to the fact that the way Parental Controls blocks names until they appear in the Allow List there can be a problem if testing the same iChat Details in a Test Account.
Lets say you are the Admin User on the Mac.
You set up a second Mac User Account called Test.
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You then test Parental Controls by turning it On and setting the iChat Limit option.
Then you add to the allow List one or two AIM valid names.
You check iChat and find they are the only Buddies that show up.
It works, so you return to your main Mac User Account and discover that most of your Buddies are missing.
On checking the iChat Menu > Preferences > Accounts > Security Tab you find the Allow Specific People option is Enabled and the list only includes those Buddies you set in Parental Controls.
Choosing allow All does not seem to bring back the Buddies even if you Log out of the Test Mac User Account.
The Fix Here
Is to Disable all the Parental Control Settings again (Remove names from any list) before Logging out of the Test Mac User Account.
The cause is partly to do with the Setting in iChat > Preferences > General Section that reads "When I quit iChat, Set the Status to Off Line" which is not the default - leaving a partial login for Off Line Messaging. As a consequence your Buddy List is constantly being told to block certain Screen Names.
A Variation on this is if you have Two Log-ins of your Screen Name from either different apps or computers.
Altering the Buddy List in one effects the other login. The computer or app that was logged in first take precedence.
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The software shows the @mac.com or @me.com endings in grey in the Screen Name text field and adds this for you.
This can lead to Buddies being added as the wrong type as in ralphjohnsr added as [email protected] etc.
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D) Plain old Typos
Here I am talking about misreading someone's Screen Name and typing that in (Such as receiving and email with a Screen Name in it and typing the letter O for 0 (zero).)
And of course, just plain typing mistakes.
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The Buddy in this case will be in the Buddy List but will always be Off line
Highlight the Buddy with one click.
Do a Get Info (Apple()/Command(⌘) key and I key together) and their Info card will show up.
Correct as Required.
8:25 PM Wednesday; November 24, 2010
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Thanks Ralph,
Some thoughts.
To Show Off Line Buddies, highlight the Buddy list to bring to the "front".
Then go to the {color:red}Show Menu{color} and Enable Show Off Line Buddies.
(there is also an Option to display these in a separate Group).
Do you mean under the {color:green}View{color} menu where I see Show Offline Buddies? (both iChat 4.0.8 and 5.0.3)
A)… In the {color:red}slide out that appears from the top{color} of the Buddy list you get the chance to Add the Screen Name and then the First Name Last Name details of the Buddy.
I kept looking for a button for the "slide out" at the top of the Buddy list. Found out it's the dialog box that appears when you click "+" (Add a new buddy…) at the bottom of the list. Yes, I can act like a beginner too
(Slide out to me sounds like a sideways slide out, versus a Pop Up or Pop Down Dialog box).
As the Address Book does not allow two contacts to have the same name they will not be added to the iChat Buddy List {color:green}if the name already exists.{color}
The Address Book i one Feedbag in this case
The Address Book {color:green}is{color} one Feedbag in this case
B) Adding AIM valid Screen Names (AIM, Those with either @mac.com or @me.com endings) to the allow List Unblocks those Buddies and they will show in the Buddy List as On {color:red}of{color} Off line
… as On {color:green}or{color} Off line
*The Fix.
Exception*
{color:red}The{color} you add to the allow {color:red}List{color} one or two AIM valid names.
{color:green}Then{color} you add to the allow one or two AIM valid names.
C)
At the Add Buddy Screen/Slide in {color:red}ichat{color} 4
At the Add Buddy Screen/Slide in {color:green}iChat 4{color}
In both iChat 4 and 5 as Jabber IDs/Screen Names also look like Email Addresses we have to also consider
In both iChat 4 and 5 as Jabber IDs/Screen Names also look like Email Addresses{color:green}. We{color} have to also consider
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]http://www.ralphjohnsuk.dsl.pipex.com/page13.html
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Interesting.
I would have gone the iChat > Preferences > Accounts > Security and just checked the Block list first.
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In this case it is adding a Screen name with a Real name option and that Real Name is already in the Address Book.
To restate.
I would leave the deletion of com.apple.ichat.Subnet.plist (as this will remove all those that may be in your Block list) until all other options have been exhausted.
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4) is a bit more involved as Quitting iChat does not Quit iChatAgent that runs in the Background. For this you have to use Activity Monitor (In Applications/Utilities and use the Quit button on iChatAgent and confirm a Force Quit then delete the two files above.
I did ask about the address Book as you can not add a Buddy to iChat with adding a real name if that name is already in the Address Book.
In iChat 3 and earlier you used to get a clear "Feedbag" error message but this does not seem to happen in iChat 4.
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My ichat won't keep my buddies.

When I add buddies to my ichat they appear offline then disapear a few seconds later? It is ichat 6.0.1.

No Problem.
Thanks for the points.
History for those interested.
In reality this actually has a error code name and number.
It is FeedBag error 10 although iChat stopped reporting this from version 4 and beyond.
Buddies are "Food" - Food is kept in "Feedbags"
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Your Address Book is a local Feedbag.
iChat can add to this Feedbag so that Buddies appear with the "Real Names".
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The Error still exists but iChat does not report it.
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