Few issues about MSI P965 Neo F

I have recently put together my C2D system. Details are in my sig. I have a few queries related to the mobo. BIOS is already flashed to v1.5.
1. Are P965 and P965 Neo F 2 different boards? Because their pics, specs etc are the same.
2. My 2 optical drives are connected as master/slave to the IDE port while my HDD is SATA. I cant figure out which mode the optical drives are running in. Current transfer mode shows 'Not Applicable' in Device Manager in Windows Control Panel. During boot, both drives show up in DOS screen. How do I get them both to run in UDMA mode?
3. My DVD writer is running slowly while the combo drive runs well.
4. When I install SMART monitoring utilities, they are unable to retrieve any info from my HDD. Why is this so? SMART is enabled in BIOS. I want to monitor my HDD's temp. through Windows.
5. I have installed CoreCentre. Whenever I run it a warning sounds and CPU Fan speed flashes. Speed is shown around 830-840 rpm. Is this enough? If not how do I increase it? My system is running at default speeds. I havent overclocked at all. Fan monitoring is enabled in BIOS.
6. When RAM timings are set to auto in BIOS, Cpu-Z shows 5-5-5-13 latency. But when I manually set the timings to 4-4-4-12 through BIOS, Cpu-Z shows 4-4-4-20 latency! What is going on?
Kindly advise. Thanks!

But that is exactly the problem. I am unable to set the UDMA mode. All IDE channels in BIOS try to detect the hard disks, when actually no hard disk is connected to IDE. HDD is SATA. Optical drives are connected to the solitary IDE port. I have kept all PIO mode and DMA mode settings to AUTO.
Windows is showing my optical drives to be SCSI devices.
Even Sisoft Sandra is showing my optical drives in SCSI devices tab. Following are the details for my dvd writer :
General Information
Device Type : CD-ROM/DVD
Manufacturer : SONY
Name : DVD RW DRU-820A
Version : 1.0b
Serial Number : Feb07 ,2006
Removable Drive : Yes
Embedded Media Changer : No
SCSI General Properties
Target ID : 1
Logical Unit No. : 0
Device Connected to Port : Yes
Width : 8-bit
Addressing : 8-bit
Multi-Ported Device : No
Relative Addressing Mode : No
Synchronous Transfers Support : No
Data Transfer on Secondary Bus : No
Asynchronous Event Notification : No
Queueing On : No
Linked Commands : No
Soft Reset : No
Normal ACA : Yes
Terminate I/O : No
Performance Tips
Warning 2600 : SCSI version does not adhere to ANSI. Probably ATA/ATAPI device.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.
How should I get Windows to detect the optical drives as IDE?

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Quote from: Zimbower on 14-February-07, 18:50:18
Hi,
yes i do get the green message about the dvd in green color after the memory check(MSI logo)
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get P965 Neo BIOS ver. 1.6 CD Image (have modded boot record and integrate JMB361 Dos drivers.)
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Extract image file from archive, and burn it to CD.(example: open it with nero burning rom and burn image file to CD)
Make and ensure PC is stable, then reboot PC and boot from CD. you will need to confirm twice BIOS update when asked.
after BIOS update is complete successfully, power down your PC, remove power cord from the PSU, hit few time power button to drain electrify from capacitors, touch some metal with hands to discharge any ES which you may have, then open the case and Clear CMOS then pull back power cord, and turn on your PC, will be notice CMOS CHEKSUM MISMATCH/ERROR, hit F1 to continue to rebuild DMI Pool Data, then reboot your PC, and enter in BIOS and LOAD BIOS DEFAULT, SAVE AND EXIT, go back to BIOS and apply your customs settings.
if you want to use USB key to flash BIOS, copy AWFL865.EXE & W7235IMS.160 to USB drive, reboot PC and boot from bootable location, (hold "SHIFT" key when starting loading from bootable device to bypass startup files to avoid loading memory managers and other applications) navigate to folder which containt flash program and BIOS file and type from there:
AWFL865.EXE W7235IMS.160 /cks/sn/py/cc/cd/cp/wb/ld/qi/f/e

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Hello
I'm french and i need help about my mainboard:MSI P965 Neo-F!
On Speed Fan i can see for the V-Core Value :1.42 v...
But my CPU (Core 2 Duo 6600 @2.40 Ghz) burn so much i want to change the v-core from 1.40 to 1.3V...
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As we already said, your Board does not have a VCore option in BIOS. Therefore it is very unlikely that you will be able to change the Core Voltage using software.
However, you may want to try your luck with one of the following utilitys:
http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml
http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php#about
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- disconnect main A/C power cable from PSU
- hit the power-on button a few times to drain capacitors
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Quote from: skxprive on 25-December-09, 22:27:48
Thats right, as 10acjed said
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that could be your problem right there. Is that when you are running at 300 FSB??
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If all else fails run it at 300 - 320 (as high as you can get stable) and put the ram at 667 so it runs around 830, ou will have a nice moderate OC...

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Quote from: NovJoe on 03-July-09, 21:57:34
Clear CMOS and try booting the system again.
Was the system like this from Day 1 or this only happens after something has been done?
Thks NovJoe ....
The system had run without any problem for more than 2 years.
I presume I have a connection problem on the MOBO or other hardware. If I place the PC case in the cabinet under my desk, the problem occurs. If I have the PC on the floor there is not any problem. It also happens only when the PC is cold.
I asked my hardware supplier, he suggested to test the hardware with a special self booting hardware test CD. It will cost 40 euro. I searched for such a CD on internet but didn't find one special for MSI boards. Do you know where I can get such a CD ?
regards,
Herman

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I have a MSI P965 Neo-F motherboard in my PC, everything works great except for one thing, rebooting.
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I dont know solution ...
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i using v1.9 now ... and i have problem with boot after hybernation with vista..
after turning my computer off (in vista is normal to hybernate and shut down) i can boot my computer .. by its very strange. So, power comes up, but then instantly comes Windows Vista with logon screen - NO posting by BIOS, no RAID initial screen, no scaning for hardware... it comes instantly to windows - but windows are in some inconsistent state and i cant login (freeze/BSOD ... but pointer can be moved by mouse and login button shows efect if i move pointer over - so windows are in memory and working) ... in this state is HDD led all time ON (shining) ... i can shut down and boot up again and everything is OK (windows are normaly restored from disk)
with older v1.5 BIOS ... my computer goes to same state like is described here - BLANK ... and BIOS setting was reseted
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https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=100524.0
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Quote from: stixen on 31-January-08, 22:12:39
Actually Corsair does'nt work good with my PC(no boot sometimes) so i don't want Corsair...
I'm not saying buy Corsair, I am telling you to buy WINTEC AMPO 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM 800. I have read all the horror stories about different ram and the Neo f. I installed 2gb [2x 1 gb] when i made the computer a couple years ago and just added the same thing 1 week ago and never a single problem. It still only reads as 3.25gb but that has been explained. Fast and stable memory with this board is hard to find, so trust me and buy this ram . it worked perfect for me so I don't see why it wouldn't work for you.
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I have a problem with my MSI P965 Neo-F.In fact when i push the power button i have to wait 5-6 secondes for my pc turn on...
I have the same problem that Er.nest:https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107722.0 (problem number 5)
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ok v1.10 .. so we have same version now.. (maybe it will help us to find somthing helpful)
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When i want to wake my computer up (a do it by pushin power button) ... somthing (and i dont know which part of my machine).. cause frozen of whole machine. Sometimes i get Windows Vista login window (loggin button fully response to mouse move over), if i want to login windows fall into BSOD or all freeze... somtimes i get only black screen.
So .. it seems to be little bit different problem but we both have problems with some kind of turning on...please, try to describe more about your problem. Espesialy informations about other behavior...
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Weird thing with the 1.5 BIOS, really: No matter what the speeds are set to, the last memory timing (forgot its name) is always set like this:
BIOS setting (by me) - actual setting (in Windows read out by software)
4-4-4-12 - 4-4-4-20
5-5-5-15 - 5-5-5-23
4-4-4-4 - 4-4-4-12
etc...
What is going on here? I set the memory to 4-4-4-4 now @ 375MHz (750), because those are its rated specs. And it runs in Windows as 4-4-4-12 @ 750MHz.
The system now runs @ these speeds:
E6300 @ 300MHz (2.1GHz)
FSB @ 301MHz
RAM divider: 667MHz
Effective RAM Speed: 750MHz
Tmings: 4-4-4-12
Really, what a weird problem. But since there are no other problems with 1.5 (that I came across so far), I'll keep it. My sister is loving her new PC, and if the mobo doesnt brake within the next 5 years, everything is perfect.

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Hi all, I just changed to the MSI P965 NEO, when I power off, all peripherals (PS2, USB...) are still under power
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Quote from: lobo2 on 28-December-06, 01:00:52
What I see - there are no other jumpers;) on mobo (ex. clear cmos)
I use also only 20pin power connector...
So, is it the end of my wishes to have dead pc after turning off... ?
Maybe someone who knows some electronics could build u some device.
I have one bit similar kind, but it uses power from PSU to determine if PC is on or off, to start/stop my water pump (watercooling). It has medium sized condensator to keep power running in case of fast coldboot (shutdown and instant startup).
But I dunno who it would then turn power back on when you want to start the PC. One possibility is that you buy remote controlled AC on/off switch, so you can use remote control to turn on/turn off power from your PC, so after PC has shutdown you cut the power. But it will introduce one excess button to push everytime. :S
Also ductaping remote to your monitor will ensure you wont lose it :D
But it is not much your PC will use power when shutdown. Maximum for USB device to consume is 0.5 watts. So with mouse and KB (and mobo) you will propably consume like 1-2 watts/hour. While your VCR or DVD player will consume like 5 to 40 watts when they are in off-mode showing the clock.
Lets assume 1kW of electricity costs like 0.5 euro. With max usage 2w it makes 48 watts/day (if your computer would be shutdown whole day). Keeping it shutdown whole year you would use 17.5kW of power for nothing. Which then would cost you like ~8 euros.
Now if you want to actually save money your solution should be really cheap. Also this calculation is kind of "worst case scenario" I would quess the PC wont use even 1 watts when its shutdown.
For about 2 to 8 euros / year, I wouldnt bother to do much.
Maybe you should try to find some hobbyiest electronics forums and ask if they knew some kind of automatic solution to this. Or just use "jail remote control" and glue/tape some extender stick to your PSU on/off switch to be able to use it from sitting position and not to kneel to find it. :P

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Some boards from anther's builders using the same chipset (ICH8) have these options.
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Quote from: Arup on 16-October-06, 09:54:51
ICH8 has no RAID so P965 Neo only does RAID through the 3rd party JMicron controler.
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