Field dominance problem?

Hello:
When editing DVcam footage into a dv sequence with Livetype graphics, which field dominance (none, upper, lower) should be chosen in seq settings?
I take it LT graphics should be created with the same FD? Currently, my seq is LOWER fd, as are LT graphics, but this one LT billboard push transition (moves from up to down, revealing incoming shot beneath) strobes and even seems to have the "double strobe" burnt into it. I have a screen snap I could send if someone needed to see the problem.
Thanks much
KB

lower (even) is the correct field dominance for any DV based sequence (excepting HDV)
i'm assuming you're seeing this strobing on your external TV/Broadcast monitor
obviously the first thing to do is simpy run a couple of tests yourself. try changing your field dominance to None
going further, you might try using moving the whole LT compostion up/down a pixel in your FCP sequence ... its been known to help with Text Generator Crawls and Rolls.
worth a try i should think.
hope it helps
Andy

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    I am re-posting this because I am in a time crunch and need to try and find a solution...
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