Field order problem I think

I just burned through 10 dvds and they all look
terrible. There are all these wavy lines. Is this a
field order problem? If so, how do I correct it. I
have missed my deadline and I am in big trouble.
DV formats ALWAYS use field 1 dominance -- LOWER FIELD FIRST!
Since your content was created in a graphics program and not a DV camcorder, be sure to read through: http://www.greatdv.com/video/fields.htm
BTW, It's ALWAYS the best idea to create a disk image out of iDVD (an option under FILE). Verify the image plays correctly with Apple's Disk Utility and then make the actual burns to writable media with Apple's Disk Utility or Roxio's Toast. Use quality DVD-R media (Verbatim or Maxell) and burn at 4x speed or lower.
F Shippey

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Field Order Problem

I am connecting to a remote database (db2 as400), when I generate the table descriptor all fields are in order.
However, when I recreate the tables on a local copy of db2, all the fields are reordered. Not what I wanted.
Why does toplink change the order of fields, and is there a way to control this?
Jason

try applying the "Shift Fields" filter to a nest of your sequence (Effects > Video Filters > Video > Shift Fields)
alternatively you could use the "De-interlace" filter (Effects > Video Filters > Video > De-interlace)
plus, next time, you might want to consider capturing direct to the DV codec, via the Decklink, for projects that are aimed for DV output
hope it helpss
for your reference: theres no inherent problem with using upper field clips in a lower field sequence (or visa versa) as long as no rendering is done ... it is only the rendered video that will be jerky, because that is the video that has been created by FCP where the source dominance does not match the target dominance. FCP chooses the target dominance according to your sequence settings.

Field Order Problem? Maybe?

Hi,
I have been using DVD Studio Pro and have never encountered a problem such as this one. I exported a QT Reference movie - the original source is anamorphic wide - the first ref movie I exported was a 4:3 Letterbox (and it plays fine in DVDSP). The second was a 16:9 Anamporphic (and this is where the problem lies). When I watch the movie on Quicktime, it is fine. When I encode it with Compressor or DVDSP, I get a weird shift in fields. It is like 3 frames of the movie is fine, but then frames 4 & 5 seem to have the even fields shifted to the right. I don't know if this makes sense and I feel like I have tried everything.
Can someone please help? Thanks.
Sean

Take some screenshots and upload them so we can check them out.
Not exactly sure what is going on, but do you have the 16:9 checkboxes selected in your DVD SP project?
If you watch a anamorphic QT movie within QT, then it should look elongated or squashed upwards but still 720 x 480.
Have you tried another encoder to see if you are getting the same results?

Field order / interlacing problem

I convert my mpeg video source files using dropDV, then cut the clips in iMovie.
If I create a dvd using iDVD and watch it on my tv, there is a nasty shaking effect which is more visible when either the subject or the camera is moving.
Someone recently told me this problem might be caused by the field order being inverted.
Can anyone confirm this, or has anyone experienced similar problems?
Any suggestions how to overcome this problem?
(So far the only attempt that has not failed was when I exported to iPod .m4v from iMovie and used this file in iDVD... the problem was solved, but of course the resolution is much lower)
Thanks for your comments!
Peter
Mac OS X (10.4.7)

welcome Peter to the  board …
yepp, your discription sounds like a odd/uneven problem...
I'm not familiar with any prefs/settings in dropDV, but I onced solved simliar problems with the free tool JES Deinterlacer

Field order DV _ IMX _ DV

Hi All,
I ran in something curious today:
I have used DV material (lower field) in an IMX sequence (upper field).
Well, normally the 'Shift Field' is necessary to compensate for the difference in field order.
A good reference for this is to use an external monitor. When you did not apply the 'Shift Field' filter, then a problem 'stuttering' movement is very easily visible.
So, I thought.
But I was working the the other day on a set that had hooked up an external monitor (component) via a DV deck (Firewire) to the MacPro).
But did anybody know that in such a case DV material in an IMX timeline, without the 'shift field' filter (fully rendered) does look GOOD on the external monitor? Obviously it should look WRONG!
Only on another system (Kona card) I saw the problem!
Be warned!
Rienk

Hi Rienk
There are so many variables in there that its hard to tell, but heres some things to consider:
1) fully rendered ... was this full quality playback (ie without actually rendering) or was this force rendered
2) applying Shift Fields ... are you taking into consideration that Shift Fields is automatically applied for you anyway whenever a field mismatch is detected
3) it was DV material in an IMX sequence, yet your output path was actually DV ... it existed as IMX only in the timeline space but not in the source or output space
The main point seems to be that it worked (or rather it didn't) as expected when using a direct output path via the Kona, and that it only didn't work as expected when you actually passed it through an additional compression cycle within FCP before passing it to the targeted output (and especially notable that the output compression format did in fact match the original format / field order).
At the end of the day, I think you really had to be there to truly know what went on :/ And of course it also might help if one were a ProApps engineer and so had working knowledge of the code paths
Cheers!
Andy

Field Order/Dominance question

I've been noticing that spots I've produced that air on my local cable network appear to be having problems with jerky movement of elements created in Motion. I thought that maybe the field order was set wrong on my Motion projects. (I should add that I'm doing "the big no-no" by only monitoring these on my computer and not on a TV monitor. I know, I'll have to remedy that someday.) Anyway, I'm using the "NTSC Broadcast SD" preset and that means field order is lower/even. I'm definitely rendering these out with field rendering on (Apple ProRes, btw) as I can see the interlace combing when viewing the output file.
I thought I'd try an experiment by creating a Motion project that would expose interlacing problems in the worst way and then render it out of Motion three ways: lower, upper and none. I then encoded these to mpeg-2 using Squeeze and burned them to a DVD (in DVDSP) to view on my consumer DVD player and SD television. (Remember, that's the only way I can view them played back interlaced...) To my surprise both the upper and lower movies looked terrible and the one rendered with no field dominance looked the best.
What gives? Any ideas? Does this seem right?
Thanks!
--Kurt Cowling

Wow Iain, you know waaaay more about this than I do. In fact, I asked a question in the iDVD area of this board many moons ago regarding whether or not there was some sort of metadata or tag that let iDVD know if the incoming file was interlaced or progressive and the response was basically "I don't know for sure, but I don't think so".
Anyway, I can confirm what you say regarding the output of ProRes files. The content is interlaced, but when clicking the deinterlace button in the advanced area of QuickTime player nothing happens.
I tried as you suggested and opened the "Advanced..." area of the output settings in Motion and found that interlace was indeed not checked in the ProRes settings. When I output a file after checking that box I can also confirm that the deinterlace button in QT player did actually deinterlace the display of the file.
I normally output my Motion projects in several layers and bring them back into FCP (as rendered video, not Motion files) to composite them with the underlying camera footage. (Makes later changes and updates easier to deal with for my workflow.) I then export the composite out of FCP as uncompressed SD and then proceed to encode for FTP delivery from there (usually H.264). I opened a recent uncompressed file that was output from FCP and found that it suffered from the same problem, namely that the file was not tagged as interlaced, even though the content was interlaced.
I then opened one of the H.264 files that was encoded from the uncompressed master. Same issue again.
The one thing I haven't tried (yet) is outputting my test project from Motion as described in my first post (but with the files tagged correctly this time!) and see if the DVD that gets burned plays correctly. I will try this in the next day or two.
I don't know what happens to my files after I FTP them to the cable provider, but I assume they must transcode them from H.264 into their system. If the files aren't tagged as interlaced then their system is probably treating them incorrectly, as well.
This brings me to the final question(s) that may solve all of this for me:
Is there a way to change just the metadata/tag in an existing QuickTime file (so that it is tagged correctly as interlaced) without having to re-render from the beginning? Also, It appears that FCP may suffer from the same issue since it obviously uses QT to export, just like Motion. If I correctly tag a file rendered from Motion and then import it into FCP and FCP doesn't then pass the correct tag on output to uncompressed I still have the same problem. Or, if FCP tags the uncompressed file correctly, but QT doesn't pass this along to the H.264, I'm still screwed. Hence, my question at the top of this paragraph! I think I really only need the last file I handle before FTPing to have the correct tag, since the content has been fine all along.
Thanks so much Iain for looking into this! I would never have found this on my own. I'm not exactly sure if this is a bug or just a bad implementation, but this seems like a bad oversight for sure and not something that could be figured out from reading the manual.
--Kurt
p.s. I will try some more experimenting with this and hopefully can come back and marked this thread as "question answered" since a workaround seems doable. Iain, would you be willing to submit this to Apple as a bug report? You seem to have a much better handle on this than I do.

Field order issue with Avid codec

Is there some way of setting the field order of the source for Encore DVD 2. Given the problems I experienced with ProCoder I decided to encode a project using the inbuilt Main Concept encoder.
On the interpret footage menu I can correctly set the aspect ratio but not the field order.
Unfortunately Quicktime does not seem to be passing on the correct field order to the Main Concept encoder everytime.
I have had one encode using a preset I created that worked perfectly - I then copied that preset and added a crop and scale to get rid of some VIT (out of essential but viewable on the customers replay system) and everything was field muddled.
I can see how you can set the output field order but no way of setting the source field order. Transcoding on automatic had the same jumbled field effect.
BTW these were full Quicktimes not refs

Probably - although it is such a small re-scale, that if the scaling algorithm is even half-way decent the result should be fine. This is Digibeta originated footage.. in fact the result when I re-worked this in ProCoder was excellent.
I just wanted to avoid having to place a mask over 8 different sequences amounting to 50 minutes in length, as anything you then export would result in a full render (even though the Avid would play it in real time).
I guess I'll have to seriously look at my workflow - everything used to just work beautifully - Avid PAL codecs all UFF except for AvidDV LFF; now I keep getting a weird progressive looking result with the new Avid 1:1 10bit codec even though the source is interlaced UFF and recently I rendered an Avid DV export with all settings correct (Source LFF Target UFF) and it ended up jumbled. I had to deliberately set the source to UFF. I do think the culprit is QT 7 as all these problems seem to have started from the switchover from QT6+, but I'm not certain.

Export QuickTime Movie shifts field order

In august I finished grading a project and made a QT Prores 422 master file for the client to have delivered on a hard drive.
The client has kept quiet until now about an issue - the field order seems to be wrong. I couldn't believe my ears when he told me that. The timeline is lower (even) while the QT file he had received is Upper (odd).
I selected 5 seconds of the timeline and exported using CMD+E, and it says "Setting: current settings". So I thought it would be lower field as the timeline - but no - it comes out as upper, every single time.
How does this happen? Do I really have to make a conversion through compressorr?!

The following settings are the same for the prepped timeline and the one that came back from Color
*Sequence settings*
720x576 PAL Anamorphic 16:9
Field Dominance: Lower (even)
Compressor: Apple ProRes 422
*Item Properties*
Frame Size: 720x576
Anamorphic: Yes
Compressor: Apple ProRes 422
Field Dominance: Lower (even)
However, I think I nailed it. Gonna do some further testing to make sure though... In the Export to QuickTime Movie window, I found that I can select some other setting, using ProRes 422 PAL Anamorphic for instance. And as far as I know - PAL is always lower field, and it seemed to work for the first test I did.

Selection screen fields order in report painter report..

hi experts,
i have a problem with selection screen fields order in report painter report.
Actually in report painter report selection screen order is different compare to report writer report selection screen.
how should i get the same selection screen fields order For Report painter report compare to Report Writer report ?
For example, Report Writer selection screen order is:
ledger:
company code:
period:
current fiscal year:
previous fiscal yer:
previous quarter end period:
where as Report Painter selection screen order is:
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previous fis year:
current fis year:
company code:
period:
previous quarter end period:
please help me regarding with this.
Thanks and Regards,
NAGARJUNA.

hi nagarjun,
Go to Sq01, select the query and goto to change mode.go to the next screens till u reach Selection fields. Here u enter the NO field in the sequence which u want ot appear in the selection screen and it is done. Save and execute.
Ex:
Selection fields No
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Lokesh

Need to setup Premiere CS6 sequence for two file types with different field orders

I have a client who has shot video for me using two cameras, one camera was set to progressive, and the other to interlaced upper field first. I need to use both file types in the edit and have been struggling to set up the sequence to get the best look for the end product, a DVD. I have several videos to do for her that were all shot in the same way, so I need a solution!
I would appreciate help figuring out how to set up this work flow from beginning to end.
Should I convert one of the files from the beginning so they match field orders before going into a sequence? Or do I just need to do some adjusting of the files once they are in the sequence? Is it just as simple as changing the transcode settings to favor the upper field first? I'm definitely having issues once the video is transcoded in Encore and you can see a lot of jagged edges and lines especially during movement. My client isn't happy and I've tried several workarounds, but to no avail.
Here are the two file types I have:
File extension: .MOV
H.264, 1920x1080, Linear PCM, 16 bit little-endian signed integer, 48000 Hz, stereo
FPS 29.97
No Fields: Progressive Scan
File extension: .MTS (my Mac finder can't read these files, but they are read in Premiere)
Image Size: 1920 x 1080
Frame Rate: 29.97
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - compressed - 6 channels
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0
Upper Field First
I am using Adobe Premiere CS 6.0.2
Encore 6.0.1
Media Encoder 6.0.2.81
I am running it on an iMac 27-inch, Mid 2011
with Mac OS X Lion 10.7.5
Processor 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7
Graphics AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024 MB
I've just been setting the sequence to match the .MOV files since they look much better than the .MTS files. I've done the opposite as well, setting the sequence to match the .MTS files and it doesn't seem to help. I've also changed the field order of the files once they are in the sequence by changing the field options and have tried converting the .MTS files in the Media Encoder, but nothing I've done has worked.
Any help would be so appreciated! The client I have is a photographer, so she wasn't aware of this issue when she first shot these videos. So I have 10 videos with these issues I need to get back to her, hopefully issue free! I'm struggling as an editor because my last job I was using FCP and was working with videographers who knew what they were doing, so I've never faced such problems before. Plus I'm new to the Adobe software. Not a good combination. Please forgive me if I didn't give all the information you need. I will happily respond with whatever more information you may need to help me out!
~KTrouper

I wonder if you could do your edit ignoring any visual issues of the interlaced footage but keeping the different sources separate ( checkerboard edit Vid 1/ Vid 2 )
Lock it down then export the interlaced part of the edit as a Digital Intermediate.
Maybe Export the other source as well to the same codec. DI
Bring them back together in a New Sequence. You wold have to deal with the black spacing.

Field Order on Final Burn

Hello,
What I did. I made video in PP CS3. Exported to mpeg-2 using adobe media encoder. Made dvd from adobce encore cs3. I then deleted the original dv-avi (need to buy more storage but didn't have time); DVD Played fine no problems; I then saw I needed to fix an error. So I only had the mpeg-2 file. Went back in PPcs3 and fixed the error. Used Adobe media encoder again to export as mpeg-2 again all default didn't change field order. When I compile the DVD the second time around in Encore cs3 the dvd plays back like I chose to do upper field first this time. Fast motion is strobe like.
Does re-encoding an mpeg-2 file cause problems??
Any suggestions or comments would be great for this newbie.
Thanks

Burning to DVD would not cause this to occur.
Recompressing to MPEG-2 is the most likely the source of the trouble. It sounds as simple as the field order not matching. You could start by trying to find the field order of the source and the MPEG-2 setting.

Motion and Field Order Stupidness

I'll try not to rant too much.
But what is up with Motion and working with DV NTSC video with fields? I have had nothing but headaches. I am a long time After Effects user, and I was glad to get Motion 2 (2.1.2), but I've just spent the last hour and half trying to get it to render DV NTSC video correctly without it getting field jitter on a project that needed to be over-nighted to go on the air. And it still doesn't look totally correct. (I'm not a happy camper)
Here's the deal, I took DV captured footage from FCP using the standard DV/DVCPRO - NTSC preset I've used forever. That footage was imported into a Motion project that was using its own NTSC DV project preset (all lower fields -even). But every time I'd play it back in Motion, or render it out (still using the NTSC DV render preset), I get serious field jitter on DV output.
Eventually I found under the Inspector-Media tabs that the footage was imported as Field Order- None (why I have not a clue). So I changed all the footage to Lower (even). That worked on any footage where size, rotation, or position was not changed. If any of those attributes was changed I get the field order jitter. It seems to me that Motion is not able to render out field ordered video properly and the quality looks poor or jittery.
Now that might seem hasty to say that, but I've been doing the same thing in AE for years, never having to change the imported field order to get it to look right and I have always captured, imported, work with projects and rendered using the QT DV/DVCPRO - NTSC presets.
Can someone help me because I can not believe I've had to change so many setting to try to get video to look right from Motion while using the same settings during the entire workflow.
Thanks, and sorry for the rant.
PowerMac Dual 2.0 G5, PowerMac Dual 1.42 G4, iBook 800 G3, Mac mini 1.42 G4 Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Hey, thanks for the replys.
[....you might want to try using the animation codec..millions of colors...]
I gave that a shot this morning, and I'm having the same problem. See what's going on now is after changing the Field Order to even for the footage media, all of it looks decent except for the ones on an angle, croped or resized and I see this in both Motion's preview and the final render when I play it back in FCP. So as per your suggestion I rendered with the animation codec (filed rendering) and it still has it. Its just odd to me that it does that, like I said before I've worked in the DV/DVCPRO - NTSC codec with FCP and AE for years with no quality degrade. The reason I have always do that is that's what I capture to and that what my FCP project is so to keep it all consistant. BTW, this is going network and cable, no different than I usually do.
[...are you enabling field rendering in the Canvas or in the export settings?]
Yes I am, sorry, I should have pointed that out. I have done combinations of different QT codecs with and without field rendering turned on to see different results. None of course resolves this issue.
Thanks
PowerMac Dual 2.0 G5, PowerMac Dual 1.42 G4, iBook 800 G3, Mac mini 1.42 G4 Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Field order on Firewire output

I have been using Premiere Elements for some years and, before that, Premiere 6.5. I have now begun to use Premiere Pro CS6 and am getting on well with it. I have Windows 7 Home Premium with 4Gb of RAM. I realise that 4Gb is borderline for editing HD material but for the time being I shall mainly be cutting SD DV from tape. I have a Pyro Firewire card which is connected to a Sony DSR11 tape deck. I am in the UK and work in PAL 625 720x576, very occasionally 1920x1080i AVCHD, from SD memory cards. The composite video output from the DSR11 is plugged to a CRT monitor.
Capture works fine from the DSR11. But, when using the same unit in E-E mode for monitoring or when Exporting to tape from Premiere, the field order as displayed on the monitor and recorded on tape is wrong. The only way to correct the problem is to reverse the field order of every clip on the Timeline, resulting in everything needing rendering and it all taking a long time.
All indications are that the captured material is correct (lower field first) and that ingested by Elements and previously cut on PrEl is known to be OK. All output from Pro as fed down the Firewire is reversed. I can see no Set Up that selects the Field order.
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I'm looking forward to many years working with Pro, just so long as I can get over this little hurdle. Thank you for your time and for any advice you can offer.
Alan S.

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However it still clearly stinks it's reversing your field order, sorry I don't have any ideas on how to fix your actual problem.

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I have music sync'd via iTunes Match from my laptop to my iPad and to my iPhone. The names and order appear correct on both the laptop and on the iPad but on the iPhone several artists are either shown in all lower case or the last name will be used by the sort, rather than the first.
I've reset the artist, album artist and sort artist tags to different names (and they show up correctly then on the iPhone) and then set them back, but the problem remains.
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A factory reset and restore from iCloud results in the same problem.
Any ideas?
Thanks guys.
--Cynan.

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BTCUSTOMERH fields in Problem (SM 7.1 SP10)

Hello experts!
I have SM 7.1 SP10. I created Z fields in BTCUSTOMERH of Incident using AET.
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Hello Dmitry,
Go to BSP_WD_CMPWB transaction, on field Component write "AIC_IM_REQ_H" and select display.
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