Field Order Problem

I am connecting to a remote database (db2 as400), when I generate the table descriptor all fields are in order.
However, when I recreate the tables on a local copy of db2, all the fields are reordered. Not what I wanted.
Why does toplink change the order of fields, and is there a way to control this?
Jason

try applying the "Shift Fields" filter to a nest of your sequence (Effects > Video Filters > Video > Shift Fields)
alternatively you could use the "De-interlace" filter (Effects > Video Filters > Video > De-interlace)
plus, next time, you might want to consider capturing direct to the DV codec, via the Decklink, for projects that are aimed for DV output
hope it helpss
for your reference: theres no inherent problem with using upper field clips in a lower field sequence (or visa versa) as long as no rendering is done ... it is only the rendered video that will be jerky, because that is the video that has been created by FCP where the source dominance does not match the target dominance. FCP chooses the target dominance according to your sequence settings.

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Field order problem I think

I just burned through 10 dvds and they all look terrible. There are all these wavy lines. Is this a field order problem? If so, how do I correct it. I have missed my deadline and I am in big trouble. Please help.
Thanks

I just burned through 10 dvds and they all look
terrible. There are all these wavy lines. Is this a
field order problem? If so, how do I correct it. I
have missed my deadline and I am in big trouble.
DV formats ALWAYS use field 1 dominance -- LOWER FIELD FIRST!
Since your content was created in a graphics program and not a DV camcorder, be sure to read through: http://www.greatdv.com/video/fields.htm
BTW, It's ALWAYS the best idea to create a disk image out of iDVD (an option under FILE). Verify the image plays correctly with Apple's Disk Utility and then make the actual burns to writable media with Apple's Disk Utility or Roxio's Toast. Use quality DVD-R media (Verbatim or Maxell) and burn at 4x speed or lower.
F Shippey

Field Order Problem? Maybe?

Hi,
I have been using DVD Studio Pro and have never encountered a problem such as this one. I exported a QT Reference movie - the original source is anamorphic wide - the first ref movie I exported was a 4:3 Letterbox (and it plays fine in DVDSP). The second was a 16:9 Anamporphic (and this is where the problem lies). When I watch the movie on Quicktime, it is fine. When I encode it with Compressor or DVDSP, I get a weird shift in fields. It is like 3 frames of the movie is fine, but then frames 4 & 5 seem to have the even fields shifted to the right. I don't know if this makes sense and I feel like I have tried everything.
Can someone please help? Thanks.
Sean

Take some screenshots and upload them so we can check them out.
Not exactly sure what is going on, but do you have the 16:9 checkboxes selected in your DVD SP project?
If you watch a anamorphic QT movie within QT, then it should look elongated or squashed upwards but still 720 x 480.
Have you tried another encoder to see if you are getting the same results?

Field order / interlacing problem

I convert my mpeg video source files using dropDV, then cut the clips in iMovie.
If I create a dvd using iDVD and watch it on my tv, there is a nasty shaking effect which is more visible when either the subject or the camera is moving.
Someone recently told me this problem might be caused by the field order being inverted.
Can anyone confirm this, or has anyone experienced similar problems?
Any suggestions how to overcome this problem?
(So far the only attempt that has not failed was when I exported to iPod .m4v from iMovie and used this file in iDVD... the problem was solved, but of course the resolution is much lower)
Thanks for your comments!
Peter
Mac OS X (10.4.7)

welcome Peter to the  board …
yepp, your discription sounds like a odd/uneven problem...
I'm not familiar with any prefs/settings in dropDV, but I onced solved simliar problems with the free tool JES Deinterlacer

Selection screen fields order in report painter report..

hi experts,
i have a problem with selection screen fields order in report painter report.
Actually in report painter report selection screen order is different compare to report writer report selection screen.
how should i get the same selection screen fields order For Report painter report compare to Report Writer report ?
For example, Report Writer selection screen order is:
ledger:
company code:
period:
current fiscal year:
previous fiscal yer:
previous quarter end period:
where as Report Painter selection screen order is:
ledger:
previous fis year:
current fis year:
company code:
period:
previous quarter end period:
please help me regarding with this.
Thanks and Regards,
NAGARJUNA.

hi nagarjun,
Go to Sq01, select the query and goto to change mode.go to the next screens till u reach Selection fields. Here u enter the NO field in the sequence which u want ot appear in the selection screen and it is done. Save and execute.
Ex:
Selection fields No
Exclude Cancelled Lots 5
Material number 1
Plant 2
Material type 3
Inspection Lot Origin 4
Regards,
Lokesh

Need to setup Premiere CS6 sequence for two file types with different field orders

I have a client who has shot video for me using two cameras, one camera was set to progressive, and the other to interlaced upper field first. I need to use both file types in the edit and have been struggling to set up the sequence to get the best look for the end product, a DVD. I have several videos to do for her that were all shot in the same way, so I need a solution!
I would appreciate help figuring out how to set up this work flow from beginning to end.
Should I convert one of the files from the beginning so they match field orders before going into a sequence? Or do I just need to do some adjusting of the files once they are in the sequence? Is it just as simple as changing the transcode settings to favor the upper field first? I'm definitely having issues once the video is transcoded in Encore and you can see a lot of jagged edges and lines especially during movement. My client isn't happy and I've tried several workarounds, but to no avail.
Here are the two file types I have:
File extension: .MOV
H.264, 1920x1080, Linear PCM, 16 bit little-endian signed integer, 48000 Hz, stereo
FPS 29.97
No Fields: Progressive Scan
File extension: .MTS (my Mac finder can't read these files, but they are read in Premiere)
Image Size: 1920 x 1080
Frame Rate: 29.97
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - compressed - 6 channels
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0
Upper Field First
I am using Adobe Premiere CS 6.0.2
Encore 6.0.1
Media Encoder 6.0.2.81
I am running it on an iMac 27-inch, Mid 2011
with Mac OS X Lion 10.7.5
Processor 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7
Graphics AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024 MB
I've just been setting the sequence to match the .MOV files since they look much better than the .MTS files. I've done the opposite as well, setting the sequence to match the .MTS files and it doesn't seem to help. I've also changed the field order of the files once they are in the sequence by changing the field options and have tried converting the .MTS files in the Media Encoder, but nothing I've done has worked.
Any help would be so appreciated! The client I have is a photographer, so she wasn't aware of this issue when she first shot these videos. So I have 10 videos with these issues I need to get back to her, hopefully issue free! I'm struggling as an editor because my last job I was using FCP and was working with videographers who knew what they were doing, so I've never faced such problems before. Plus I'm new to the Adobe software. Not a good combination. Please forgive me if I didn't give all the information you need. I will happily respond with whatever more information you may need to help me out!
~KTrouper

I wonder if you could do your edit ignoring any visual issues of the interlaced footage but keeping the different sources separate ( checkerboard edit Vid 1/ Vid 2 )
Lock it down then export the interlaced part of the edit as a Digital Intermediate.
Maybe Export the other source as well to the same codec. DI
Bring them back together in a New Sequence. You wold have to deal with the black spacing.

Field Order on Final Burn

Hello,
What I did. I made video in PP CS3. Exported to mpeg-2 using adobe media encoder. Made dvd from adobce encore cs3. I then deleted the original dv-avi (need to buy more storage but didn't have time); DVD Played fine no problems; I then saw I needed to fix an error. So I only had the mpeg-2 file. Went back in PPcs3 and fixed the error. Used Adobe media encoder again to export as mpeg-2 again all default didn't change field order. When I compile the DVD the second time around in Encore cs3 the dvd plays back like I chose to do upper field first this time. Fast motion is strobe like.
Does re-encoding an mpeg-2 file cause problems??
Any suggestions or comments would be great for this newbie.
Thanks

Burning to DVD would not cause this to occur.
Recompressing to MPEG-2 is the most likely the source of the trouble. It sounds as simple as the field order not matching. You could start by trying to find the field order of the source and the MPEG-2 setting.

Motion and Field Order Stupidness

I'll try not to rant too much.
But what is up with Motion and working with DV NTSC video with fields? I have had nothing but headaches. I am a long time After Effects user, and I was glad to get Motion 2 (2.1.2), but I've just spent the last hour and half trying to get it to render DV NTSC video correctly without it getting field jitter on a project that needed to be over-nighted to go on the air. And it still doesn't look totally correct. (I'm not a happy camper)
Here's the deal, I took DV captured footage from FCP using the standard DV/DVCPRO - NTSC preset I've used forever. That footage was imported into a Motion project that was using its own NTSC DV project preset (all lower fields -even). But every time I'd play it back in Motion, or render it out (still using the NTSC DV render preset), I get serious field jitter on DV output.
Eventually I found under the Inspector-Media tabs that the footage was imported as Field Order- None (why I have not a clue). So I changed all the footage to Lower (even). That worked on any footage where size, rotation, or position was not changed. If any of those attributes was changed I get the field order jitter. It seems to me that Motion is not able to render out field ordered video properly and the quality looks poor or jittery.
Now that might seem hasty to say that, but I've been doing the same thing in AE for years, never having to change the imported field order to get it to look right and I have always captured, imported, work with projects and rendered using the QT DV/DVCPRO - NTSC presets.
Can someone help me because I can not believe I've had to change so many setting to try to get video to look right from Motion while using the same settings during the entire workflow.
Thanks, and sorry for the rant.
PowerMac Dual 2.0 G5, PowerMac Dual 1.42 G4, iBook 800 G3, Mac mini 1.42 G4 Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Hey, thanks for the replys.
[....you might want to try using the animation codec..millions of colors...]
I gave that a shot this morning, and I'm having the same problem. See what's going on now is after changing the Field Order to even for the footage media, all of it looks decent except for the ones on an angle, croped or resized and I see this in both Motion's preview and the final render when I play it back in FCP. So as per your suggestion I rendered with the animation codec (filed rendering) and it still has it. Its just odd to me that it does that, like I said before I've worked in the DV/DVCPRO - NTSC codec with FCP and AE for years with no quality degrade. The reason I have always do that is that's what I capture to and that what my FCP project is so to keep it all consistant. BTW, this is going network and cable, no different than I usually do.
[...are you enabling field rendering in the Canvas or in the export settings?]
Yes I am, sorry, I should have pointed that out. I have done combinations of different QT codecs with and without field rendering turned on to see different results. None of course resolves this issue.
Thanks
PowerMac Dual 2.0 G5, PowerMac Dual 1.42 G4, iBook 800 G3, Mac mini 1.42 G4 Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Field order on Firewire output

I have been using Premiere Elements for some years and, before that, Premiere 6.5. I have now begun to use Premiere Pro CS6 and am getting on well with it. I have Windows 7 Home Premium with 4Gb of RAM. I realise that 4Gb is borderline for editing HD material but for the time being I shall mainly be cutting SD DV from tape. I have a Pyro Firewire card which is connected to a Sony DSR11 tape deck. I am in the UK and work in PAL 625 720x576, very occasionally 1920x1080i AVCHD, from SD memory cards. The composite video output from the DSR11 is plugged to a CRT monitor.
Capture works fine from the DSR11. But, when using the same unit in E-E mode for monitoring or when Exporting to tape from Premiere, the field order as displayed on the monitor and recorded on tape is wrong. The only way to correct the problem is to reverse the field order of every clip on the Timeline, resulting in everything needing rendering and it all taking a long time.
All indications are that the captured material is correct (lower field first) and that ingested by Elements and previously cut on PrEl is known to be OK. All output from Pro as fed down the Firewire is reversed. I can see no Set Up that selects the Field order.
So, my question: Have I missed something? Is there a hidden menu somewhere?
I'm looking forward to many years working with Pro, just so long as I can get over this little hurdle. Thank you for your time and for any advice you can offer.
Alan S.

If you want to avoid having to reverse every clip in the timeline individually then you can right click each source clip in the bin and select the "modify>interpet" option and make the field order correct. This way anytime you drag anything from that clip to the timeline it will already be corrected. Doing this with the 1 source clip in the bin will also correct any trimmed clips created from the source clip as well. Basically it will save you from having to click the same clip several times in the timeline to reverse the field order individually.
However it still clearly stinks it's reversing your field order, sorry I don't have any ideas on how to fix your actual problem.

Field order issues after export to DV Pal from uncompressed

We are experiencing some difficulty exporting clips from FCP to our Omneon Server for TX.
We are capturing 8 bit uncompressed (AJA and Blackmagic) from digibeta for our edit and all editing stays in uncompressed until final output. Our transmission system demands DV PAL files so we export finished items as DV PAL in FCP and drop onto the server
Our problem is that on playback from the server, the field order is incorrect. Although the exported DV clips properties show lower field order, the clip is obviously playing upper field first. If we capture and edit in DV and export the DV file to the server, then we have no problems. I have tried
exporting uncompressed clips to DV via Compressor and changing the field order in frame controls but no success. It seems that when a clip is captured and edited in upper field it hangs onto that status even after conversion to DV!! Any thoughts greatly appreciated!

when you drop one of your 8 bit uncompressed source clips into your DV PAL timeline, is FCP correctly adding the Shift Fields filer to those timeline instances?
do you edit in 8-bit uncompressed and then export direct to DV PAL or do you nest your 8 bit uncompressed sequence into a DV PAL sequence first and then export as Quicktime Movie w/ current settings? if not the latter, try it (and make sure your nest has the Shift Fields filter applied)

Interlaced footage in secondary preview - wrong field order.

I just got CS5 Production Premium and an EVGA GTX 465, which is basically a GTX470 with less CUDA cores (352 instead of 448). I added the card to the list in the Premiere CS5 txt file (the so called hack) and everything seems to work perfect except for one thing. When I play back interlaced footage that I shot with either of my two AVCHD cameras (Canon HF100 and Panasonic AG-HMC40), the footage in the TV set (which is setup as my second monitor) will play with the fields in the right order but after a few seconds it will start playing as if it were progressive, or as if the fields were in the wrong order. Then, eventually, it will go back to play the fields in the right order, and then the wrong order, and go back and forth like that. It switches every ten or twenty seconds. This happens both when the footage is played back in the source window and in the timeline.
Thanks to the GPU acceleration, it plays smoothly always even with added effects and even with different tracks at different opacity levels (I tried three tracks, one at 25%, another at 50% and the other at 100% and it played without skipping a frame), but I don't understand why it doesn't always send the right field order. I wonder if it has anything to do with the cable that goes to the TV set, since it's DVI on the end that I connect to the video card, and HDMI on the other end. Regardless of that, I purchased the cable from Monoprice and it's a very thick, well shielded cable. The card comes with a mini HDMI output, but the cable that comes with it is not long enough to reach the TV. Still, I'm not sure that it would make a difference.
Is this happening to any of you? Could this be a problem with the card itself, with my footage, or with Premiere?
Note: I had switched the "Multi-display/mixed-GPU acceleration" to "Compatibility mode" in the Nvidia control panel and it didn't make a difference in anything related to CS5, whether it's this particular problem or anything else.

JSS1138 wrote:
We should probably just get the details, instead of speculation on what hardware is being used.
Oh, the system is pretty fast, but Premiere always took a huge toll when external preview was enabled, it was like that in CS3 and CS4 as well. But here are my system specs just in case:
AMD 1090T @3.8 Ghz (stable)
16 GB of DDR3 G.Skill RAM
Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5
Western Digital 1.5 Gb Black Edition (as one of the video drives, the OS drive is a standard WD)
EVGA GTX465 1 GB
So while this may not be the fastest computer in the world, it's more than fast enough for HD, with 6 cores and 16 GB of RAM.
This is something that's either wrong with Premiere's design, but maybe there's a workaround, which is what I'm trying to get to. I've been trying many things in the "Manage 3D" section of the Nvidia control panel, but nothing seems to work. VSync on or off, Triple Buffering, etc, etc, the problem is still there.
Obviously if I right click on the monitor window and instead of "Both Fields" I choose either first or second field, I get just that, but I don't see why do I have to edit interlaced video with just one field instead of both.

Totally confused about mixing videos with different field orders.

I have PPcs5 on the pc.
I edit for many different shooters. As such I get everything: Progressive, upper field , lower field . Not to mention from a zillion different cameras & different resolutions.
I output 95% so far to dvd ntsc, 5% BR.
I get dv tapes on some & HD files also.Many times I get a mixure of both on each job. Also Iphone HD files too. Going crazy trying to fiquer out how to set up my sequence when I have upper field or progressive by themselves & also when they are mixed with lower field dv foot...Do I force everything into a lower field seq if going to dvd?
Do I have to deinterlace anything?
If I drag a clip to the new "create seq" icon, it will match the clips properties but is that correct if its a progressive only project or an Upper field project going out to dvd ntsc?
Do I need to RT click on the clips in the project window & "interpet Footage" & force it into a lower field there 1st? Is there a difference between setting up a seq to be played on a progressive DVD player hdmi to a prog TV as apposed to setting up a seq for a non hdmi or non progressive tv?
Does outputting to dvd automatically force it to lower field ?
If my seq isnt set up correctly I notice a big interlace problem when the cams pan from side to side, especially when there are multiple cams with different field orders. Have been unable to find any good discussions or articles on the topic.
How do you guys do it without going crazzzzzzzy?Are there rules? What are the rules? A rule book would really help:-) I Yern for the old DVCAM/DV days:-)

DV is always lower and HD is upper or progressive.
As you are having all fields in one timeline i would make it progressive.
Premiere does a good job in deinterlacing.
Only use Interprete footage when the footage is interprete wrong.
Set up a progressive timeline and drop everything in it. If a clip does not behave correctly you can change fields in the Field Options.
Export from Premiere and import into Encore. That is what i would do......

Field Dominance (FCP) vs. Field Order (Motion)

I am having a time trying to figure out what's going on with my clips that I send to Motion. I'm working with video that is HDV1080i60 and has a Field Dominance: Upper (Odd). Now when I send a clip from the timeline and it opens in Motion, the video appears heavily interlaced and I have to go into Project Properties and change the Field Order: Upper First (Odd) to Field Order: None. After I make the change to Field Order: None, my slowed down wakeboarding/tubing clips look fantastic.
I don't understand why I have to make this change however. I'm sort of a noobie, learning how to apply speed changes and variable speed changes to clips. But I can also send unaltered clips to Motion and I run into the same issue.

One thing to know is that by default in FCP you are only seeing one field in the Canvas but in Motion by default you are seeing both fields - so that may be all that's going on.
To see both fields in FCP you need to set the Canvas to 100%; to see only one field in Motion, you deselect Field Rendering under the View pop-up menu (or Option-F IIRC).
When you slow a clip down, you can run into field problems, which is why choosing Field Dominance of None can be helpful. Better to work with material that was shot progressively to begin with, though.

Field order errors from Color

I onlined a job recently that had been done in 10-bit uncompressed (PAL). The final edit an hour-long documentary) had been sent to Color for grading, and I was picking up the job to finalise it (adding captions, titles etc. the usual stuff).
The colourist had rendered the clips, but hadn't sent them back to FCP. When I opened the projects in Color it had lost the reference to the rendered files, so I couldn't send them to FCP, so I imported the folders containing the rendered clips into FCP, and layed them back into the final edit as a new layer.
All ok so far.
When I came to play the clips, they were flickering as if they had the wrong field structure, and I had to add a shift fields filter to make them correct. The original clips, the rendered clips from Color and the sequence were all set to 10-bit uncompressed, upper field, so I'm perplexed as to why I had to do this.
I checked Color and it's set to render out in the original format.
I had to render the entire timeline because of the shift field filter, which took 3 hours! Can anyone shed some light on the problem and a solution to prevent it happening again?
I've posted this in the Color forum as well.
Cheers
Steve

I've encountered an issue similar to this with NTSC DV coming back with reversed field order. It may just be in the nature of COLOR to assume that all media is odd/upper HD. You used to be able to buy Final Touch in three variants: SD, HD and 2K. They were individually built to make the field dominance issues moot, but now that there is only "COLOR", there may still be a few old prejudices lingering. This app does not do well with interlace, and a giant problem with it is only a flick of the wrist away.
It was probably not a good idea to render the media out of COLOR without creating a new FCP sequence.
jPo

Field order DV _ IMX _ DV

Hi All,
I ran in something curious today:
I have used DV material (lower field) in an IMX sequence (upper field).
Well, normally the 'Shift Field' is necessary to compensate for the difference in field order.
A good reference for this is to use an external monitor. When you did not apply the 'Shift Field' filter, then a problem 'stuttering' movement is very easily visible.
So, I thought.
But I was working the the other day on a set that had hooked up an external monitor (component) via a DV deck (Firewire) to the MacPro).
But did anybody know that in such a case DV material in an IMX timeline, without the 'shift field' filter (fully rendered) does look GOOD on the external monitor? Obviously it should look WRONG!
Only on another system (Kona card) I saw the problem!
Be warned!
Rienk

Hi Rienk
There are so many variables in there that its hard to tell, but heres some things to consider:
1) fully rendered ... was this full quality playback (ie without actually rendering) or was this force rendered
2) applying Shift Fields ... are you taking into consideration that Shift Fields is automatically applied for you anyway whenever a field mismatch is detected
3) it was DV material in an IMX sequence, yet your output path was actually DV ... it existed as IMX only in the timeline space but not in the source or output space
The main point seems to be that it worked (or rather it didn't) as expected when using a direct output path via the Kona, and that it only didn't work as expected when you actually passed it through an additional compression cycle within FCP before passing it to the targeted output (and especially notable that the output compression format did in fact match the original format / field order).
At the end of the day, I think you really had to be there to truly know what went on :/ And of course it also might help if one were a ProApps engineer and so had working knowledge of the code paths
Cheers!
Andy

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