Film Look ...

Hi,
I have been racking my brains as to figure out how to give that 'film look' to PAL video in FCE. Using a clip, I 'selected all' and went into video effects to find de-interlace (or is 'interlace' that I need) ... I clicked on de-interlace and nothing happened.
Is someone going to tell me that PAL is already de-interlaced? Have I got my terminology all wrong?
If so, how can I get the effect I'm looking for?
Thanks for your expertise!

Doing a forum search would give you a plethora of results from people asking about the "film look", so please do your research; that having been said, I think you'll find that Nattress Film Effects is your answer. It's not free, but considering its performance, its completely worth it.
http://www.nattress.com/

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I have finished editing my short in and some of the images are too harsh; please advise me on how I can get a more film like look. I shot the short on a Sony PD-150 and edited it on Final Cut Pro 3 using a G4 and running OS X. 2.6
A friend suggested using a filter like Magic Bullet, which doesn't work on OS X. 2.6. Someone else suggested rendering it in 30 frames per second but don't know how to do that in FCP.
G4 Mac OS X (10.2.x)

You're not going to be able to make magic happen with DV footage on final cut 3. Film has a generally softer and murkier look than video, so try bringing down the harsher higlights and desaturing colors somewhat. You're just going to have to play arround with the the filters and color corrector, and eyeball it on a broadcast monitor.
As far as frame rate is concerned, there's nothing you can do. DV is 29.97fps, film is 24fps. Simply changing the framerate (especially to 30) won't make it look more film like. 24 fps pulldown needs to happen in camera to achieve such an effect.
If you're interested in something like Magic Bullet (which you'll have far better luck with), you'll have to find someone who has it.
Honestly, my advice would be to worry about your film looking good more than worry about your film looking like film.

Why can't my HD to SD SHORT film look good? Best Encode?

I have a 12 minute short film on HDV. I imported it to FCP5 and then DVDSP4 and created an HD-DVD and it looked GREAT. Then I found out my computer is pretty much the only DVD player that can play the HD-DVD I had created. Thus began my journey to make a decent SD-DVD, and so far I am not even close...
HERE'S WHAT I'M DOING:
1. I used FCP to downconvert from HDV to DV (I don't have access to the camera to use it downconvert option). I'm sure this step is where the quality drops at least 4 generations!
2. DVDSP5 > Preferences > Mode: Two Pass VBR, Bit Rate: 5.5, Max Bit Rate: 8.5, Motion Est: Best
IMAGE PROBLEM:
Lots of pixelation in darker areas of the screen. Places i could see in HD are now just black and pixelated black at that.
TWO QUESTION:
1. My main annoyance is this: When I burn the DVD, it only burns about 20% of the DVD (HD-DVD would use 60%). I have the space on my DVD-R, why can't I utilize this space and burn 90% of this space with data to make my film look good?
2. iDVD did a better job of making the SD DVD look good. So I know there is something i could do. I've never used Compressor. How can I encode my HDV for use in SD DVD environement in DVDSP5?
Any help will be much appreciated... I hope answers to these questions helps others as well...
Best,
AJ

AJ -
Thanks for your reply -I hope i can clarify below.
Yes i have been editing the sequences using native HDV 1080i.
When comparing the output of the converted formats here is what i did.
I have a Sony a HC1 HDV Camcorder. I captured and edited all clips with native HDV. Then i recorded back the HDV material back into the camera (HUGE issues with doing this in FCP - but ill leave that to another thread)
From there i did two things
1) I sent the native HDV Final Cut sequence to compressor and set it to DVD, 90Min, Best quality, 2pass VBR. I burned a DVD with DVDSP4 with this encoded sequence
2) i played back the HDV Sequence from my sony camcorder back into the television directly - but using the composite video output (not using the high definition component output).
3) I set my Sony HDV cam to output via firewire as standard DV (eg - i let the camera do its own HDV to DV downconvert). from there i recaptured back into FCP, compressed with the same compressor settings, and sent to DVDSP4
I compared side by side the content from all three options. Hands down Options 2 and 3 looked MUCH better than option 1.
Here is what i noticed
1) A lot of motion artifacts with option 1. This especially when the camera pans and moves. I think this has to do with the way interlacing during downconversion happens. If i run the FCP sequence through a de-interlace filter it actually does come out better - though not as smooth since you are loosing 1/2 the frames.
2) A lot of digital artifacts. pixellation and such like. It looks almost like one of those old VCDs in terms of image quality.
I had searched the forums and found that many other people are having the same problems - so i know that i am not alone on this one (unfortunately). I do find it frustrating that a very expensive >$1000 application suite which claims to support HD has so many issues with editing in HD (this is just one of the issues.. others are that you cannot reliably export HDV back to tape, there are issues with editing multi-cam with HDV with more than 3 sequences... etc..).

Mixing Frame Rates and Creating Old Film Look?

Hello, I'm working with AVCHD footage which is 59.94 fps and have made my sequence settings at this frame rate. I've dragged in a few clips 23.98fps, 24fps, 25fps and 29.97fps, I'm attempting to give it a old film look so was going to render out at 14 fps as this is what 8mm is filmed at, I've never worked with mixed rates so any advice as to whether this is going to work? Should I have my sequence setting at my highest frame rate and the majority of the video is 59.94fps? would it work exporting at 14 or 16 fps?

I've never worked with mixed frame rates, but for the old film look, I like the Posterize Time effect set to 18 (one of the two standards for Super 8 that my camera had) and use Magic Bullet Misfire.

How many frames should I cut out each second to get a old film look?

Hi,
What is the general rule of thumb (if their is one) of how many frames should be cut every second to achieve a choppy old film look? Or maybe it's not every second? What do you guys do?

you will get a more realistic look if you chop out frames manually
dump the playhead arbitrarily on the time line insert a cut nudge the playhead either i or 2 frames on and cut again discard the frames and either leave the black or butt the clips up for a "skip".
this really doesn't take long to do and is better than a predetermined sequence of chops made by a filter.
CGM do a free filter for aged film to add the hairs, navel lint, boogers etc . .

I know.. not another film look question, but here is goes...

Hi all i hope you can help me here.
Im used to doing safety, corporate, induction videos so Ive never been interested in getting the "film look" But now Ive got a music video to do and i really don't want it to look interlaced.
Now i did some test on my HVX200 25p, and read up on it a little. Which brought me to my question.
I know that when shooting with real film cameras AND HD 25p cameras there is the rule not to pan very fast because it becomes jittery. But when i did my tests outside with my HVX200 25p PAL on a tripod (no panning) my footage seem a whole lot more jittery that film movies i see on tv. Its so jittery i cant use the footage! im to scared to do the music video on 25p.
So now i want to know, am i doing something wrong? Is the shutter speed or the way you capture in FCP got anything to do with the jittery? Or is 25p just that jittery?
Another question. Does anybody have some tips to get a better look and feel to my music video? plug ins? or whatever?
Thanks so much for your replies.
Andre Meyer

Hi Meyer,
The reason I said your video still looks jittery is because you have not graded or used any additional adaptors on your cam. Turning on a progressive shutter alone will just make your VIDEO look like 24/25P video! The movement is greatly exaggerated! The point I was trying to make is that once you have graded your footage and if you are lucky enough to use a 35mm adaptor, much of that jitteriness (if that’s a word?!) will not be so noticeable. Remember, if it goes away completely, you are back to square one almost! Its about how acceptable you can get with the 3 components I was talking about in my previous post.
I dont own an HVX200, but I have a V1E (not as good as the HVX200) and I find the cinema Gamma not that great as a default.. I have to tweak it quite a lot to achieve the all important contrast and saturated colours. As for your HVX, just have a play until u get a look u like. The Cinema Gammas on the Cheaper Canons are dreadful and make the cam lose all their contrast! I guess this varies a lot with the mid-priced prosumer cams?!
You don’t need to own a 5D MkII (an ergonomic disaster in my opinion unless u have the full rail kit!) to have that 35mm DOF control. There are quite a few 35mm adaptors out there that have attachments for many types of video cameras. There are users in this forum I think that use these types of adaptors with the HVX200’s. However, such equipment is not cheap.. and of course a good quality stills lens’s are not exactly cheap either!
So to summarise:
1. Use a progressive frame rate 24/25P
2. Colour Grade to film... Best bet is to use Apple Colour... this is a really good colour corrector which has various preset that’s you can tweak and work pretty good as the film look. Of course you will need to experiment to get the effect u want. Alternatively, you can use Magic Bullet Looks.. which can be use used as a Plug-in to FCP, and is like Apple Colour on Steroids! It doesn’t offer the same amount of control as Color, but has some really interesting presets that can be easily tweaked.. and the good things is, this is all done without leaving FCP.. so its quick.
3. If you want to go the whole way and go for a 35mm adaptor.. then do your home work. Do you currently own a select of still lenses? Canon L series or Nikon Pro series? Of course u don’t need the pro lenses, but in this set up the quality of your stills lens becomes really critical! Take a look on YouTube and see the effect these adapter give, they can be quite amazing! Be prepared to spend over £2500 for the adaptor alone!
4. And of course, remember technique when shooting like this.. these adaptors do stop down your camera, you will probably have less light to play with. When u r tracking etc, DOF is really critical and can be difficult to master at first.
I don’t have any 35mm adapter, i try to achieve the film look by using steps 1 and 2..the result, well... its ok but often means I have to mess about with camera distances sometimes to achieve a decent DOF. Swings a roundabouts!

How to get this kind of film look?!

How to get the film look like in this video:
I shoot on the canon 60d with multiple lenses.
Thanks.

Thanks for the answers, finally I've got the result. May be it'll be useful for other people:
So i've used one popular magic plugin for adjusting look with default presets and lowered fps with default effect "Posterize time".
Good luck

Film look and final presentation techniques

I have a feature film that is in the final stages of editing. I recently got the Final Cut Studio package with FCP 5, Studio Pro 4, Motion, Soundtrack, etc.
The movie was shot on DV and looks about as good as it could. I know there are a lot of 'film look' techniques out there, some of them work, some of them look terrible. Unfortunately I don't have the time to experiment at this point, so if anybody can point me in the right direction it would be appreciated.
I also have a copy of Magic Bullet from a couple years ago, but I don't know much about the program. I'm pretty good about figuring these things out with a nudge, though.
Thanks.

Magic bullet does good stuff. There is a new version of that due out soon.
Also go to www.nattress.com and look at the Film Effects filters.
Cinelook is another route.
Welcome to the forums, BTW.
And it would be good if you could do a search for your topic next time, as this question comes up at least once daily, if not twice.

Frame blending and Film look

Hi everyone,
I'm editing a moutain bike video shot with a sony HDR FX1 in HD and imported as SD.
Editing is finished and if I preview the video on my computer screen its just fine, but if viewed on a TV it has of course that artificial digital look far away from film. now, I noticed that the portions of clips that have been slowed down to 50% and used "frame blending" do look a lot better... by better I mean, they loose a bit of that digital "sharpness". I also played with gamma and colors but I think that the "frame blending" adds a sort of "softness.
I was wondering: if I duplicate my sequence, overlap the original with it's duplicate and play abit with blur (or else?) and make it let's say 30% transparent... would that help?
any suggestions?
I've seen a skiing video presented on QT website shot in HD and compressed H264... and it has that perfect film look.
Would love to know your thoughts.
Thanks
Ciao

Ok,
this is the procedure I courageously undertook:
1. duplicate of my sequence
2. added to the new sequence a level 4 blurr
3. played with color and gamma levels
4. overlapped the two sequences
5. adgusted transparency of the copy sequence according to the different portions of clips... some may result too dark. Transparency goes from 50 to 75%
Result: clearly a less digital look - closer to film -smooth
Downsides: loss of luminosity - everytime I change transparency it takes about 5 hours to render and if it doesn't look how you want it, you have to add another 5 hours.
Raises a problem: on TV it has a look and on a computer screen it has another. Consequently you have to create two separate files according to where you want to play it!
I'm sure there is a better way to do it.

What Exactly Is Meant By "The Film Look"?

I have been puzzled by this expression for the past few years.
What IS a "Film Look"?
I started with cine (Super 8) exactly 30 years ago, so my thoughts whenever a "film look" is mentioned dwell on jerky movement, dull images, grain and scratches!
I am sure this is NOT what is meant - please tell me it isn't!
Is it connected with sharper images, purer colours and smoother movement obtainable with which - DV or film?
Ian.

I wonder if the very coy Mr Brown is trying to get to this point:
People who buy a consumer video camera who instantly expect their movie to look like Star Wars are struggling in vein. Inexpensive video gear allows people to express their creativity, not to get into the commercial film market. You cant compare low, or even medium level video to high end film
A professional videographer, who shot music videos for people like Leonard Cohen on video at a time where most high end music "videos" were still be shot on film explained it to me this way: He saw the essential difference as being one of gamma, of the ranger of light and shadow. See a movie shot in 35 mm black and white and compare that to a high end video in black and white ... you will see what the difference is
That being said, this camera man thought it was silly to try to use video to emulate motion picture film. He liked the use of video and with his exquisite lighting and use of filters, he created work so good looking you wanted to eat it.
Most people, I think, make movies with video because it is much cheaper and more accessible than film ... they have no idea what the video really is .. they watch Star Wars on their home TV and go .. well, thats what I want.
I have worked in the pro video world for 20 years, everything from local TV commericials to corporate video to weddings... my gear has ranged from 500 buck cameras to 15,000 cams ... and I have never tried to acheived the "film" look. My work is all about communication and video, with its clean, clear look and quick turnaround time, gives me that. I dont make "movies" nor do I have a desire to.
Friend of mine currently makes music videos with one of the Panny high end cameras, doing everything in 24p. No denying, it looks great. Is it "film" look?
Meet me in the balcony

Vintage Film look

Hi
I'm trying to get an old vintage film look to my footage. Faded colours, scratches that sort of thing. Does anyone know of a filter thats available (to buy or free) or is there a way of doing within FCP?
Many Thanks
Adrian

Hi there
I'm also looking to achieve the 'old film' look and downloaded the plugin you suggested. But FCP came up with "File Error - Wrong Type". Could you help me with this?
Thanks!

ARTIST WANTED: For creating a film look

Hi
I'm just wrapping a shour film. It is about 20-30 min long and I need someone to go over what I have shot on mmy didgital camera and give it the film look. It is a student film so the budget is limited but I want to offer a fair price.
Some examples:
and
Using magic bullet is fine.
Here are some shots from my film:
Thanks for you time I look forward to your response
Michael

Send me a private message concerning your posts for an artist and we can discuss it.

How to achieve an old film look?

Hello guys,
is there any other, better way of achieving the old vintage film look in FCP, beside that useless, unrealistic FILM NOISE FILTER located in OPTION SETTINGS within QUICK TIME CONVERSION EXPORT?
Thank you for any advise.

There are several articles here: http://www.kenstone.net/fcphomepage/fcp_homepageindex.html
Use this freebie for a quick solution: http://www.cgm-online.com/eiperle/cgmaged_film_lee.html

"Film Look" effect

Am I crazy or did the iMovie '09 feature list on Apple's site used to mention a Film Look effect? I was so excited to get iLife to use that effect and it is nowhere to be found. Did anyone else happen to see that feature listed previously?

I only see the Aged Film and Film Grain. I am sure I read something about how iMovie '09 would change the FPS to 24 (like motion picture film cameras) and modify the picture to simulate that "Film Look". Maybe I am just crazy.

Film look help

Does anyone know of any film look software that will work with ppro cs3? I was using magic bullet movie looks with my ppro 1.5 version but it doesn't work with cs3. I really need to age a few of my shots for effect. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

WMM should get you close and with a few more Effects back in PrPro, you can probably find what you want. Other than WMM Exporting to DV-AVI Type I, instead of Type II, you should not have a problem. PrPro usually handles Type I's pretty well. When there is a slip up, it's often OOS. This is fixed pretty easily, but you may want to keep your existing Audio, and just use the Video output from WMM.
ProDAD's Vitascene has some of the effects that constitute an aged film look. It's farily cheap, and DigitalJuice has had several of the ProDAD plug-in "on sale." Don't know what they are offering right now. Last time that I checked, it was their music/SFX libraries, but it changes often.
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