Film ROLLS have vanished

I am using iphoto 6. Normally each set of new of pix I upload would sit in its own roll but a few days ago all the rolls spontaneously vanished except for one (roll 60) I don't think I have lost any photos (over 1000 of them) but they are all now sitting in "roll 60" in a complete jumble. I have of course tried going to: view> film rolls and also view>sort photos> by film rolls. but with no success ...Any ideas anyone??
Thanks in advance, Mark

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Some film rolls are named "originals" - why?

I'm still a fairly new user of Macs as well as anything like iPhoto. For quite some time, I only imported my photos into iPhoto for fear of breaking something.
Well, I'm getting over that fear, and I have noticed that some of my film rolls have a name of "orignals", but some (which do have edited photos in them) don't have that name.
This might be due to some photos possibly being imported more than once (again, possibly from concerns to be certain I could back up my photos), but I'm not 100% certain of that. Is it possible to either get rid of these rolls (but not delete the photos), or to completely rebuild my iPhoto library, without loosing the edits, and metadata I've already configured?
Mac mini 1.25/512 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Hi Lew,
At one time you probably used the "add to library" and pointed to another iPhoto Library folder to import.
If you did that, then what you would get is:
Your images will be imported in nice dated rolls. (make sure your view is set to sort by rolls to see it) There are a couple of caveats to this. You will get rolls named "Originals" These rolls will contain your video clips and your original images that you had edited. If you had RAW files they would be in those rolls too (I don't do RAW, so I don't know for sure) Delete what you don't want from those rolls. You will also get the jpeg pointer files to your video clips imported. They will just be jpegs and will not point to the video clips anymore as iPhoto made new ones when the clips were imported again. You can delete those. they should be in a roll right next to the newly imported video clips so they are not hard to find. The thumbnail files don't get imported as iPhoto makes new ones when the images are imported.
So, if you don't want the images that are in the Original rolls, as they are the originals of edited or rotated images, then just delete them. If you still want a copy of them for safe keeping then drag the images or the roll called Originals out of the iPhoto library window to your desktop, then delete the roll within iPhoto. You can burn the ones to disc on your desktop if you'd like.
Or:
you can combine images from that roll to another roll with the edited images in them if you like.
To create a new film roll, command click each image or roll of images or combination of both, then go to File>create film roll.
This will create a new film roll containing all the images you selected.
Lori

My iPhoto screen previously showed thumbnails for each film roll. Now I only have individual pictures. I have lost my film roll categorization, though I have tried to sort by film roll. How do I get back to thumbnails within each film roll?

My iPhoto screen previously showed thumbnails for each film roll. Now I only have individual pictures. I have lost my film roll categorization, though I have tried to sort by film roll. How do I get back to thumbnails within each film roll?

what version of iPhto? Of the OS?
there is a thumbnial size slider in either the lower right hand or left hand corner of the iPhoto window - does sliding it resolve your issue?
LN

Why even have film rolls?

Does anyone else think that they are a bad idea? I don't see any advantage to them. They just seem to make more work and over complicate things... very un-apple-ish.
You HAVE to import all the pictures on your camera into one roll. Then, you have to make separate rolls.
Or if you want to put some of your new pictures in an old roll, you have to click and drag, which doesn't seem to work well at all. If you have a large library and you want to get to an early roll it scrolls impossibly fast, and you can never get to the roll you want. Also, it doesn't always scroll (at least for me).
Then you'll probably want to make albums out of your pictures, which is a whole separate step.
Why not just do it like (dare I say it?) the Windows wizard? Select the photos you want to import, give them a name and a folder (or album) to store them in, and be done with it. If you want to have the same photo in different folder/album, just copy and paste.
Is it just me, or does that seem to make a lot more sense?
15" MacBook Pro 2.33GHz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Hi.
Sure, Windows Wizard makes much more sense and is easier to use. Perhaps what you want is a file browser. There are many available. They let you simply store the photos on your hard drive, in your folders, how you want them. Easy.
With the film rolls, you only have to organize them once. Then place your new imports in the roll of your choice once, and be done with it.
You HAVE to import all the pictures on your camera into one roll. Then, you have to make separate rolls.
Not exactly. There are a few workflow options, and you may find one that works better for you. If you camera mounts as a drive on your desktop, you can bypass the iPhoto Import screen. Do File> Import to Library and you can navigate your camera's files, select only the ones you want, and import. If your camera doesn't mount on the desktop, use a card reader. Each import creates a separate film roll, so you could import in whatever arrangement you like. After the import, you can rename your roll to something descriptive that will help you locate your pictures later.
Or, use Image Capture (in your Applications folder) to upload the photos from your camera. [Image Capture's preferences determine which app opens when you connect your camera, so you can reset it if you like.] You can upload all, or choose some. Upload to a folder on your desktop, then use Finder to group into folders (for your rolls) and even rename the files if you like. Once uploaded, you can drag those folders (no subfolders, though) into the iPhoto window and they will be imported into separate rolls with those folder names. Or drag into the Source Pane, and albums will also be created with the folder names. Once copied into your iPhoto Library you can delete the original folders and files.
Then you'll probably want to make albums out of your pictures, which is a whole separate step.
That last part takes care of this.
Perhaps you are taking the term "film roll" too literally and creating extra work for yourself. With actual film, you may have had only 12 or 24 photos on one roll. With digital cameras, you might keep all photos from a 1GB card together on one roll. You can use the film roll comments to list the contents of the roll. Comments are visible when the rolls are closed in Film Roll view. I keep all my rolls closed to maximize iPhoto's launch speed. I only open the rolls I need to access.
Scrolling problems - YES, this seems to be a common experience. There are some ways to minimize them and work around them. Keeping rolls closed helps with this. More rolls fit on the screen, so it's more likely the roll you want is visible with the roll you are moving. If the target roll is still off-screen and you just can't get it selected, there is another technique. Select the photos you want to move and Command-click to select the roll you want them moved to (be sure this roll is open). Do File > Create New Roll and the photos will be combined. You'll have to redo the title, if you had renamed your roll before.
Why go through this, as opposed to the Wizard simplicity? Because iPhoto offers much more complex features than any file browser. iPhoto is not a file browser. It is a database application with non-destructive editing. You import a photo. iPhoto creates a thumbnail version, linked to your original, for efficient presentation of your library on screen. You edit, and it creates a full-sized copy, which you then modify. It keeps track of the edited version, linked to your original. Your thumbnail is also located and updated to match the edited version. If you ever wish to go back, you can always Revert to Original. The edited version will be deleted, and your thumbnail will again reflect the change. All before you can blink your eyes.
Then consider the Albums and Folders in your Source Pane. With a file browser, you'd have to duplicate your files to display them in more than one album (because album = folder). Copy and paste and be done with it, sure. But how many copies do you need on your hard drive? And how do you keep track of which ones have multiple copies and which ones don't? Things can get messy pretty fast, not to mention how much hard drive space is wasted on duplicates. With iPhoto's database, albums never create duplication; they are virtual arrangements which have no presence in your folder structure. The benefit - you can have a photo in 100 albums, with very little increase to the size of your library. Albums are an extra step, if you choose to use them. If this is inconvenient, you don't have to use them at all. But if you like the ability to create multiple groupings of the photos in your library, the ability is there.
Play with other search features, and iPhoto becomes very powerful indeed. Smart Albums can be created to compile photos based on many criteria, and they stay current with your library. With the calendar tool you can pull up photos from any year, month, and/or date with just a few clicks. Keywords can be used to include or eliminate (Option-click a keyword) groups of photos until you have just the grouping you want. [Ex: I can find all photos of my daughter, with my in laws, at a festival, NOT at Christmas, with animals....]
No one ever said iPhoto was intuitive. But if you like its features, learning the iPhoto way of doing things is a small price to pay.

"View Film Rolls" is not Highlighted.... how can I get to it? (iPhoto 6)

"View Film Rolls" is not Highlighted.... how can I get to it? (iPhoto 6)

Since you're using the term Rolls you must be running iPhoto 6 or earlier. For future problems be sure you post in the iPhoto 6 or forum.
For this problem the View File rolls will only Be sure you're clicked on the Library. That menu item is not available in an album or other item. If you have clicked the library icon first and it's still grayed out close iPhoto, delete the iPhoto preference file, com.apple.iPhoto.plist, that resides in your User/Library/Preferences folder and then try again.
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto (iPhoto.Library for iPhoto 5 and earlier) database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger or later), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 6 and 7 libraries and Tiger and Leopard. Just put the application in the Dock and click on it whenever you want to backup the dB file. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.
Note: There's now an Automator backup application for iPhoto 5 that will work with Tiger or Leopard.

Will Not Display by Film Roll

I can't figure this out: When I am on the "library" selection, I used
to see a display of all the film rolls, listed separately. Now all I get is a scroll of photos with no indication of what film roll they are on.
How do I set the view so I can view the photos grouped by film rolls?

Hi Bill,
Actually the same thing happened to me under different circumstances.
I was dragging a group of five images to a keyword in the keyword panel.
I dropped them on the keyword and in front of my eyes the library images were shifting. (I have my view set to rolls). When I was done being shocked I discovered all my images were in one roll. This was not acceptable to me as I really like my dated roll organization.
I had recently done a backup so I dragged out the messed up library and dragged my backup into the Pictures folder.
I no longer use that keyword panel for keywords. I use the "get info" pop over window to keyword my images.
I really don't know what your iPhoto Library looks like in the Finder. If you can navigate there and tell me if your images are still in their dated folders, I can tell you what to do from there.
This is a view of how the iPhoto Library looks in the Finder.
It is organized by Year folders. Inside the Year folders are Month folders. Inside the Month folders are the days of the Month. Inside the day folders are the photos you took on that day. If you imported video clips and RAW files on that day they will be in an Originals folder. If you have edited any photo imported on that day, the original will be in that folder also.
If your images are still in their dated rolls in the Finder, then you can get those rolls back, but will lose Albums, keywords, slideshow...basically everything , but you will get your roll organization back.
You would follow the instructions on Page 2 for the "add to the library" method.
iPhoto Help
iPhoto Help 2

Create Film Roll - greyed out

I wish to create some Film Rolls, to better organize my photos....
As the title indicates the option under File 'Create Film Roll' is greyed out.
As extra info:
I have checked that all ticks are set under Library, no entry in the search box bottom right, and no filter bottom left.
I have recently imported the files, when I first swapped from WindowsXP, and they weren't put into film rolls which I would like to do now!

orchis
Welcome to the Apple Discussions.
To create a film roll you must be in the Full library
and
Have at least one pic selected.
Every pic in your Library is in a Roll, they have to be. Rolls in the iPhoto Window (View -> Film Rolls) correspond exactly with the Roll Folders in the Originals Folder in the iPhoto Library Folder.
Regards
TD

How can I change the order of photos in a film roll?

I've scanned in images and then imported them to i-photo and they are not in order on the film roll in i-photo. Does anyone know how I can re-order them within the roll?
Thanks
Ruth

There's only two way to arrange photos in the roll itself while having the rolls visible in the organize window. They are last file created first or last file created last.
You can create an album of that roll and then arrange them manually, by date, by file name. If by date or file name and you want them sorted alphanumerically or chronologically you'll have to make sure the check box, "Place most recent photos at the top" is unchecked in the iPhoto Preferences/Appearances pane.
OT

Sort by film roll in iPhoto 8

Come across an interesting problem.
A friend has a digital camera that resets the time and date every time the battery is charged, and not surprisingly after a while no longer bothers to re-enter the details, hence the date is always sometime in year 2000.
This has never been a problem as iPhoto sorted the pictures by film roll, so there was always a semblance of order. I must add that the original titles of the image number have been changed to descriptive picture titles.
I have just helped them to import their picture library onto the shiny new MBP, 10.5.5, iPhoto 8 (having told them how fantastic events is) and it has turned into a can of worms. All the images are now sorted by date order which means they are all over the place, and arrange by filmroll is no longer one of the options.
Anyone any ideas? Is there any way to get import pictures from iphoto 6 without it reformatting for events, or can i get iPhoto 8 to sort by iPhoto 6 filmrolls?
Thanks

Yeah the iPhoto 6 library is still on their old laptop, so that could work.
Do you know whether importing into iPhoto 8 would then keep that same film roll order, with over 6,000 pictures they are quite keen to keep a semblance of continuity.
You do NOT import the library
You must use iPhoto 6 on the laptop and rename any rolls - any roll that uses the default name of rollxxx will come across as an unnamed roll and it gets very confusing in iphoto '08 - once you have an iPhoto 6 library with no default named rolls in it quit iPhoto on both systems and drag the iPhoto library on the new computer to the trash and then drag the iPhoto 6 library from the laptop to the pictures folder on the new computer and launch iPhoto there - this will convert the library and keep the iPhoto 6 roll structure
The event order may be an issue since it is time based - there is a command under the photos menu to batch change date and time so you can use iPhoto '08 to restore the desired date structure
LN

'Film Rolls' View loses sort order when finding photos via Keywords or text

I have my iPhoto Library sorted by Film Roll so when I select 'Library' in the source list I see my rolls listed in date order in the viewing area.
If I try and find photos using the keywords pane or the search field the rolls which match are displayed in the viewing area but the order they are listed is no longer according to their date but some (seemingly) random order.
Does anyone else have this problem?

I find that if I have my rolls sorted by Film roll and Ascending (by roll date) the keyword search results will have the rolls in the correct chronological order.
However if I change the sort order to Descending , the search order remains as Ascending by roll date.
If you create a Smart album for a keyword search then you can sort the photos by any criteria you'd like: Date, Keyword (redundant), Rating or Title and Ascending or Descending.
Do you Twango?

Film rolls and photo dates out of whack

I opened my iPhoto ver. 5.04 the other day and noticed that thousands of pictures were absent. After doing a search here I tried rebuilding the library (using the option+command buttons at startup). While the rebuild returned the photos into iPhoto, they were all lumped into a single enormous film roll and most of the dates are reporting incorrectly in the iPhoto info window. The photos are still organized in the iPhoto library folders, but the application is not organizing nor recocnizing them correctly. What can I do?

doug:
Welcome to the Apple Discussions. Not a lot. Evidently the library database got damaged and the rebuild date is probably the latest modified date for many of the files. Once you get to that point there's essentially nothing one can do.
A possible tip for future use is to put our new photos to be imported into a folder on the desktop first, date and name the folder and then import that folder into iPhoto, like this. The resulting roll will have the same title as the folder and the date will help with future organization.
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IPhoto 6 conversion results in lost film rolls

I just upgraded to iPhoto 6 from iPhoto 5.x. My iPhoto Library contains more than 5000 photos. The conversion process completed successfully and all my photos and albums appear to be there.
However... about half way down the list of photos (at Roll 375 of 414), the Library conversion process apparently lumped dozens of my film rolls together into one gigantic roll with 1700+ photos. Then.. it continues on with rolls correctly allocated to the end of the file (roll 414).
Anyone have any idea what is causing this flaw in the conversion process? And more importantly... is there anyway I can get my film rolls back?
BTW... 'Film Rolls' is selected under the View menu, and toggling it on/off does not solve the problem.
John

Ok. after first panicking and not reading further on how to fix iphoto, i calmed down and did the reading i should have done first. Seems that holding down the option and command key at iphoto boot-up initiates a rebuild command.
I did a complete rebuild and all the photos are back in order. Not sure why this occurred but I'm happy that it was fixable.
Iphoto rules.

IPhoto5 to iPhoto 6 upgrade: All Film Rolls in 1 Roll Now

Hi,
I have an external Firewire HD with my entire iPhoto library on it (over 13,000 photos/11 GB). I have back-up DVDs of each year (1999-2005) that I burned through iPhoto. Prior to upgrading to iPhoto 6 on the FW HD, I placed each folder from off the burned DVDs from IP5 (1999-2005) in the iPhoto library and then when I launched IP6 it asked me if I wanted to make a new library before importing the photos, and I agreed, yes. All the photos were imported, but they are all in one film roll. When I check an individual photo, it appears to still have all the meta-data (including the actual day it was shot). How do I fix this ? I am semi-savvy on OS X, but it appears the semi is the operative word here. I have "View as Rolls" selected under View. After doing a search here and reviewing Lori Diloreto's website (excellent resource-thanks Lori !), I just can't get my head around what I am doing wrong. Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks and regards, Chris

Do you have a backup copy of your V5 library as before you added the other folders and updated? If so move it into your Pictures folder, moving the other one to the desktop and identify as questionable. Now launch iPhoto and it will tell you it needs to update that library. Your should retain your rolls, keywords, etc. for those photos in the library at that time. Once you have the new V6 library up and running, mount a DVD disk and copy the folders of pictures to the desktop. Now import each folder into iPhoto from there. You should get a new roll for each folder imported. Do that for each disk.
If those DVD disks are titled iPhoto Library then they are in the iPhoto format and will be imported differently. The will have files in the library folder similar to those in your V5 library folder, thumbail files, data files, etc.
Again, starting from your old V5 library update just it to V6. Then put one of the DVDs in the drive and it will appear in iPhoto's Source pane directly underneath the Library icon - like this. You can drag that disc icon onto the Library icon to import all of the photos on that DVD disc and you'll keep keywords, comments, rolls, etc. intact. Do that for each disk.

Iphoto 6 - photos in my various film rolls are mixed up.

I take a lot shots for my residential home insurance business. My work flow is as follows.
Take many shots of many home during the day. up to 100 for each home
Then at my computer
- create a separate new film roll for each home.
- drag each new film roll to the side bar creating an album of each home
- working in the album delete photos not required and edit the few that i need.
- then within each album i use the photo>batch change>title>text.. adding a suffix of A, B, C and so on as i need so that the end result is the first 10 shots are titled A-1 to A-9 and then next are B1 to B9 and so on until the home is done and then i repeat for each home.
The result is that my library of photos has many many shots labeled A1 or A2 or C3 etc.. but this has not been a problem since the shots are contained within separate film rolls never confusing the shots.
But now when i look back at older film rolls, they seem to have shots mixed up from various other film rolls.
Any thoughts? Would appreciate the help.

Ok. after first panicking and not reading further on how to fix iphoto, i calmed down and did the reading i should have done first. Seems that holding down the option and command key at iphoto boot-up initiates a rebuild command.
I did a complete rebuild and all the photos are back in order. Not sure why this occurred but I'm happy that it was fixable.
Iphoto rules.

Help moving iPhoto 6 Film Rolls to iPhoto 11

Hi,
So I'm trying to get my new MacBookPro up and running with all my previous iPhoto images. However it's not so simple as I would have hoped... my scenario is as follows:
I have an old MacBookPro (6years old) running iPhoto6 with all my existing photos organised in Film Rolls.
I have a new MacBookPro running iPhoto11, which I would like to move all my photos over to.
I have copied the old 'iPhoto Library' folder onto my new laptop into my Pictures folder, and then opened iPhoto. It converted the iPhoto Library to be compatible with iPhoto 11, but didn't find any new photos. After some searching, I found out that opening with cmd-option gave me a few options. I have tired 'Repair Database' option, and it then found my photos (all) but refused to import about 10k saying they were not compatible (?).
So I now have a large number of my photos in the new version of iPhoto. But I would
(a) like to have all of them imported, and
(b) like to have them imported in albums/rolls or some order (rather than effectively a singular large collection) given that I have about 10 years of photos and numerous rolls from various shoots.
Please can anyone help me? Is there some software that I can use to import the photos from an iPhoto 6 Library into iPhoto 11? I am dismayed that Apple appear to have left me in a complete and utter mess with this!
I simply want to be able to view my photos in iPhoto 11 in an ordered fashion, based on the order I had created in iPhoto 6 using Film Rolls.
Thanks,
Robert

Try this:
1 - copy the iPhoto Library from the old MBP again and place in the Pictures frolder.
2 - download and apply the iPhoto Library Upgrader 1.0.
3 - launch iPhoto 11, select the library and let it update it again.
OT

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