Filtering keywords in hierarchies ..

Good day!
There is an interesting question ..
A simplified formulation of the problem:
The keyword top-level "Country", there are two offspring "England", "Korea".
"Country"
*** "England"
*** "Korea"
There are 10 photos marked key word "England", 20 labeled "Korea. " A further 16marked the keyword top of the word "Country. "
Attention to the question:
How not to take this smart collection or search for words (country! England! Korea)receive 16 photos Tagged country? The function is similar to configuring the directorydisplay nested folders on the disc ...
The fact that the sublevels can be many and to list all of them through "!Name of the country" - not very convenient ...

Thank you!
pity that there is a beautiful simple solution. Of the proposed liked -
You can speed this up a little:
- Create a keyword BirdsOnly.
- Select all Birds photos and assign them the BirdsOnly keyword.
- In the Library Filter Bar, add a Keyword column and select all of the subkeywords of Bird. This will show the photos that have a subkeyword of Birds.
- Select all the photos and remove the Birds and BirdsOnly keywords.

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Filtering keywords in Bridge CS4

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Sharon - have never used the filter function so can't offer any comments on that.
In the Find window you can search for more than one keyword at a time by clicking the "+" in the criteria field. This adds another line or lines as needed. But be careful with that and the match field. If you have "all criteria met" checked then all conditions of each line in the criteria listed have to be met exactly to get a hit.
Make sure you have the box at bottom "include all sub-folders" checked. If you check "include all non-indexed folders" it can be very slow as it goes in and re-indexes all the folders.
If you don't get a hit where you think you should, and the non-indexed box is not checked, make sure the folders you want to search are indexed. You can do that by visiting the folder and waiting until the spinning arrow at bottom left corner has stopped. There may be a simpler way I am not aware of.
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Keywords in hierarchical form

I have my keywords arranged in categories (ex: People), then subcategories (Ex: Family), then subjects, (Ex: AJ).
When keywording an image, I would like to click the subject (AJ) and have LR tag the two upper level subcategory & parent category (Family & People) automatically.
I can't seem to accomplish this. I must manually check each keyword, even though they are nested. I tried creating a keyword path (AJ>Family>People), but rather than do what I want it to, it appears as a new keyword with the name "AJ>Family>People".
What am I doing wrong?

To build on Rob's reply: Note that Adobe quietly reversed the meaning of "<" between versions 4 and 5. In version 4, you'd write AJ > Family > People, and in version 5, AJ < Family < People (or People > Family > AJ). Beware of that as you read blog posts, other forum posts, and books that might be referring to an earlier version.
Also, as Rob noted, simply entering AJ is sufficient to implicitly tag the photo with Family and People. Even though a check mark won't appear next to Family or People in the Keyword List pane, if you search for either of those keywords (using smart collections, the Library Filter bar, or the arrow to the right of the keyword in the Keyword List), the search results will automatically include images tagged with AJ.

Keyword filtering Bridge 2.1

I migrated from Elements to Bridge and found a difference in the way Bridge filters keywords compared to Elements. Example: I have 3 images with assigned keywords: image1 (keyword1), image2 (keyword2), image3 (keyword1, keyword2).
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The filter will match across categories (for example jpeg, portrait and 5 stars will return only files that meet all of the criteria), but selecting multiples in a single category will display any file that meets one or more of the selected criteria. (for example several keywords)
This, as stated earlier, is not that convenient if you want to match on keywords.
A point to Tom's statement about having to force Elements to write metadata. I used Elements 5 and to my knowledge never requested a write to metadata, yet the keywords were all present in the metadata when I called these into Bridge. It is possible that there was some preference check box that said to do that, but I never consciously forced that or set that.

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I was sure I read that the keywords were hierarchical. In practice I can't get them to work that way.
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One of the problems with the way hierarchical keywords are organisd is that when you export them to say Photoshop, only the chosen keyword is exported and it does not inherit the keywords from the higher levels. So at a wedding I get Cutting cake exported rather than Cutting Cake, Reception and Wedding which would be much more useful. Perhaps this will be an amendment for a later version of Aperture.
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Better filtering for smart collections - by number of keywords

There is a nice feature for smart collections that allow filtering keywords by "are empty" and "aren't empty"
I would like to filter keywords by X number of keywords.
It's great to have a collection that tells me that there are no keywords but if I add only one keyword I then have to find the image by that keyword.
As a work flow this doesn't work great. I want to start with images with no keywords, then work through images with 1 keyword and 2 etc. To continue the process you would also need to remove the images from the smart collection (like remove from collection for standard collections) being able to remove the image from collection of has only 3 keywords should apply also to has 4 keywords etc. This way if you have an image that only needs 1 keyword you don't have to remove the image from every progressively higher amount of keyword collections.

Great, you are going to make me move my lazy behind and find it for you, aren't you? You owe me...
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Hierarchical keywords in iPhoto

I really appreciate the ability to open my Aperture library in iPhoto. I moved from iPhoto to Aperture a couple of years ago and upgraded all my keywords to hierarchical ones. Now when I open my library in iPhoto though, none of my keywords are visible other than top level ones. Is this a known restriction? If so, is there a plan to add the feature to iPhoto.
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iPhoto doesn't support hierardhical keywords. Only Aperture does. We don't know what Apple's plans are for updates to iPhoto as we're just users like yourself but you can put in a feature request to Apple via http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html.

Keyword Filters bring 3 different results

Hello,
I have a Problem with filtering Keywords.
I set up a smart collection with one single criteria - search for a single Keyword: Number of pictures= 453
When I use the Metadata Filter for the same Keyword: Number of pictures= 405
When using the right hand Keyword List in the library: Number of pictures= 421
One thing is, that the smart collection filter shows also pictures with the keyword in the file name -> Bug?
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Depends upon who you ask.
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If I make minor keyword updates in Bridge, how do I update an existing catalog to catch the changes?

Is there a way to update the LR3 keyword hierarchies in existing LR catalogs for minor changes done in Bridge?
I have started to use LR for the first time. I have about 50K photos that are key worded from within Bridge in maybe a hundred sub dirs. The hierarchies seem to work somewhat differently in Bridge than in Lightroom catalogs & don't seem to handshake with each other. Apparently I should have originally turned on the keyword hierarchies in preferences in the Bridge when I originally set the keywords. I have hundreds of keywords without hierarchies. Now I want to correct the (missing delimiters) hierarchies in LR3 (using the most efficient method).
(The hierarchies do not show up on Bridge filters, so I saw no reason to use them originally, when I had fewer keywords). Correcting the hierarchy in LR seems to not go back and correct the Bridge hierarchies. So if there is a way to get the keyword hierarchy to update back from LR to Bridge, that would be the easiest way to fix the hierarchies, but I don't see how to do it. Any suggestions?
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ron...

It will depend on if you saved the metadata from LR to the file or not. If not and you update the keywords in bridge, you will loose one or the other your choice.
If you saved the metadata, then its a simple matter of just reading the metadata into LR or syncing that file.
If you plan on editing metadata in bridge from time to time, then you need to get in the habit of saving the metadata (ctrl-s in windows) from LR or turn on autosave.

Keyword consolidation

Can anyone offer any help, suggestions, erm... plugins?
Over the last few years I've built myself an extensive keyword hierarchy in Lightroom - several thousand keywords in it - works well for me. Since LR3 is able to handle larger catalogs, I've recently imported my pre-lightroom images. Import worked fine, the only problem is these images were keyworded prior to having a keyword hierarchy. This means that all the keywords have appeared at the top-level of the hierarchy. I now have literally thousands of duplicate keywords in my catalog. And in for reasons I won't bore you with several hundred triplicate keywords, all of which need to be consolodated. In fact there are so may duplicates at the top level that I the list is longer than lightroom can display in the panel.
Because the 'duplicates' are at the top level finding the duplicates is easy. Here's the steps I'm taking to consolodate the keywords.....
1. look at duplicate keyword in the top level.
2. Click the arrow to display the images assigned to the duplicate keyword
3. type the keyword name into the "filter keywords" box
4. locate the master keyword from the list of filtered keywords (this only works providing the duplicate keyword isn't a synonym as there is a current bug that prevents synonyms from being filtered this way - that bug really isn't helping this!).
5. Drag the images from the grid onto the master keyword.
6. Delete the duplicate keyword from the top level
As an estimate I have at least 3000 duplicates/triplicates that I need to consolodate. Providing I don't mis-click or mis-type the above process takes about 70secs per consolodation. By my estimate that would take 60 hours of clicking and typing to complete the consolodation.
Can anyone suggest any ways to speed this up? I've looked at Rob Coles keyword consolidator, but that just tells me what needs consolodating and doesn't actually do any of the work. (In my case I already know which keywords need consolodating - it is manually doing the work that is the problem.
Thanks,
Ian

3bells wrote:
I'm wondering if your KeywordConsolidator would work with Lightroom 4?
In a word: Yes , but please contact me directly if any issues spring up - thanks:
PM: http://forums.adobe.com/people/areohbee
or: http://www.robcole.com/Rob/ContactMe
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In Keyword List panel, need to support quotes for AND'ing multi-word keyword searches

As far as I know (and read around), there's no way to search multi-word keywords in the keywords list panel using the "Filter Keywords" box. i.e. If I want to search for the "Great Blue Heron" keyword in a large animal keywords list I have, Lightroom will OR the three words instead of AND'ing them like Aperture does more intuitively. Adding quotes like "Great Blue Heron" doesn't work either. Again this is to filter a large keyword lists through the "Filter Keywords" box in the Keywords List panel.
Am I missing something? Is it possible to AND multi-word keywords?
Thanks.

Rob,
as far as I know spaces are also contained and allowed in controlled vocabularies (e.g. for the "official" names of animals 'little panda' for example and plants). I'm using spaces for names very often. As a prof. photographer I need to write captions for all of my images before sending them to my agency with WHEN/WHAT/WHERE/WHO etc. So when shooting persons very often or regular (e.g. politicians or athletes) I started years ago to create keywords and hierarchies for them. So it is much easier and more comfortable to assign them later.
Please check out PhotoMechanic or IMatch. These progs doesn't have any problems with spaces in keywords and keyword searches...
BTW: when using a space in a search I expect that the default behaviour of such a space is a locical AND.
Lars

Keyword file format with {synonyms} is too finicky

I just created a 4000 term keyword file, hierarchically organized. i used excel to create the organization. this was not an easy task because it seems that lightroom requires a file organized to look like this
main keyword
               subkeyword
                         subsubkeyword {synonym}
main keyword2
               subkeyword2
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                         subsubsubsubkeyword {synonym}
etc
my original excel file looked like this
main keyword        subkeyword          subsubkeyword                                        {synonym}
main keyword2      subkeyword2       subsubkeyword2 subsubsubkeyword {synonym2}
It was not easy to get all of the synonyms lined up with the final subkeyword, because the hierarchy length varied. I couldnt just remove repeated tabs because the keywords had to have repeated tabs to end up at the right level.
it would be great if lightroom could use a more standard spreadsheet format. Of course, perhaps there is a simpler way that i am overlooking.

the problem was not so much converting from columns to rows which can be done using sequence numbers and copying and deleting as needed. the problem is in moving the synonyms so that there are not duplicate tabs between the last keyword and the synonyms. If i understand correctly the synonyms have to be on the same line as the last subkeyword and with only one tab between keyword and synonyms. i wrote some formulas that did this but it was only a partially automated method and very messy.
As you say, the format is a poor one.

Move keywords from group

I have keywords in a group where I don't want them. I can't find a way to move them out of the group. Aperture 3.6 on iMac with Yosemite OS.

Dunno about Capture One (I have C1Express, but it keeps crashing on import so I've given up on it on my new iMac since it isn't supported anymore...lucky me), but it's easier to keep track of keywords if you write them to photo metadata. I seem to recall C1's organizational structure was inherited from Expression Media, or somewhere, and they used the "|" character to delimit a hierarchy. Lightroom can interpret that, and some others.
Keywords in hierarchies get flattened in IPTC (dc something or other), but LR and others can write them to another area in XMP. If you keyword using the delimiter even in a flattened keyword list in some application, and that gets imported into LR, it will generate the hierarchy. So "plant>tree>pine" is generated from "plant|tree|pine." That might work with C1P.
In any case, if you write the hierarchies to metadata but import a text hierarchy it might get sorted. The point (finally) is that the info goes with the photos and even Spotlight can use it, so you don't have to keep sorting it. After all, plant>tree>pine is really just (plant AND tree AND pine) in a search.

Keywording Enhancement

Hi,
having keywords is the "key" to have a powerful database.
The keyword abilities in LR are good, but after working with them, I just have recognized what a high potential they have to be best.
So my feature (wish) request would be:
1. Speed up performance if assigning keywords. My LR database has (only) 1500 photos, but giving them keywords brings the computer to it's borders sometimes. I do not know, what LR is doing, but my 2-processor 3gig machine is just running at 100% when just assigning about 10 keywords (or sometimes just 1).
2. Keyword sets: Keyword Sets are limited to 9. If you work serious with them, it might be possible, that 9 aren't enough. Also a better manager / editor for them would be helpful (at least for changing existing ones)
3. An enhanced editor for sub-grouping keywords / making hierarchies.
If the keyword list is long, sub grouping seems to be a mass. (Or I just did not figure out, how do do it easier).
Example: 100 keywords. A keyword starting with A should be dragged and dropped to a keyword (as a sub keyword) starting with Z. So if the Z-Entry is not visible (because out of screen), the drag functionality does not supports scrolling down.
4. Foreign character support for (French) accents
E.g. if I would like to type in "café" which has a accent on its e, you normally will hit the accent key and then the "e" which brings up an "é". If i enter a keyword and just touch the accent key, LR makes the following "´´" (which are two accents). There is no chance to bring an "e" to it. I have tried the other letter/accent combinations as well. E.g. "ô" isn't possible because just hitting the ^-key leads to ^^ output.
5. This is my most important feature request for keywording
Make selecting keywords (in the left section) not OR selections but AND selections. (or bring it as an option).
This means: If you have two keywords e.g. "outdoor" and "rain" and you just select both, then you will get all outdoor shoots and all rain shoots (as well as the sunny outdoor shoots). If you just want (and this is my intention by selecting more than one keyword) to get just the rainy outdoor photos, you can't do this with keywords (only with the search function as I figured out yet).
This feature is a must have for me as this was the function I loved in my old software (used before the decision was made to switch over to LR)

Hi,
thanks for the link Don. I will check the FAQs there. But actually I ) had to stop working with LR's library / keywording functionality as it is impossible to work with.
I am looking seriously for an alternative to my existing one as a photograph to optimize/speed-up my workflow with one solution. But using the LR library's functionality slows down - no - stops the worklow at all.
Adding new photos to the (only) 1500 images sizes large library, assigning new keywords IS A PAIN at all. Giving keywords to one or more images stops the whole LR for seconds. It is not possible to quickly assign keywords (which should be done in seconds in my opinion). E.g. If adding 20 photos (which goes fast) and then assigning keywords to it (about 10 keywords per photos) it takes about 10 minutes to finish this step because LR tooks so long. The 10 keywords are not the same for all photos. If assigning a bunch to all in one step would not be a problem. But either this step tooks time.
It seems like that if the database is growing, it tooks a long time (whyever) if new keywords are added.
I just have started to migrate my old database (which contains about 12000 photos and designs) but if I looking in the future, it is impossible to use LR anylonger as it already now takes too long.
Greets
John

Keywords in iPhoto6?

anyone know if keywords are done better in iPhoto 6? resizeable window for keywords and hierarchical lists?

Hmmm. Slight improvement.
They're not in hierarchical lists. They're not in a resizable window. But... they are in a slightly bigger window that before, and they're listed in two columns.
The window is just big enough to accomodate all my Keywords without scrolling the window, so I suppose there is a small chance that iPhoto is resizing the window appropriately, but I doubt it.
Mark this one up for iPhoto '07!
Steve.

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