Final Camera Profiles - Problem

The Final Camera Profiles that came with ACR 5.2 do not technically substitute the Beta Profiles
If the beta profiles are deleted (manually), LR will not resort to the corresponding final profiles, but it will just show a blank profile field.
Also Presets that invoke Beta Profiles seem to switch to the right corresponding profile, but the Profile selector in the Calibration pane stays empty.
Will LR 2.2 change things? I wouldn't want to mess things up by deleting the Beta Profiles now, but the super long profile list with Beta 1, Beta 2 and Final Profiles is annoying.
Thomas

I just deleted the beta profiles off the filesystem and restarted Lr. I didn't see the problem you report here. Though, I suppose if you had presets that used the beta profiles, these will have to be recreated.

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Camera Profiles..Right On

Eric-great work on the "final" camera profiles. I'm using the Nikon D90 and the Landscape profile (autumn photo)was amazing.
--Dave

Glad to hear you like it.

Camera Profile Default in LR2--Problems

I downloaded the camera profile betas and Camera Raw 4.5. When working with a Nef, I set a beta camera profile in LR2. No problem. When finished I open another NEF--same thing. Reverts to 4.4 default. Is there no way to make that sticky?
Also, each time I open LR the default profile is Camera Raw 4.4, and I have to reset it. Nefs are all I am testing LR2 with, shot with a D300. How do I get a sticky profile. What am I missing?
Also, since I have Camera Raw 4.5 installed, shouldn't that default to 4.5 instead of 4.4? 4.3 is also on the list, but not 4.5. Why isn't 4.5 available? Have I done something wrong?

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I downloaded the camera profile betas and Camera Raw 4.5. When working
> with a Nef, I set a beta camera profile in LR2. No problem. When
> finished I open another NEF--same thing. Reverts to 4.4 default. Is
> there no way to make that sticky?
>
> Also, each time I open LR the default profile is Camera Raw 4.4, and I
> have to reset it. Nefs are all I am testing LR2 with, shot with a
> D300. How do I get a sticky profile. What am I missing?
>
> Also, since I have Camera Raw 4.5 installed, shouldn't that default to
> 4.5 instead of 4.4? 4.3 is also on the list, but not 4.5. Why isn't
> 4.5 available? Have I done something wrong?
Try opening ARC with no photo, set the profile to what you want, and save
it as the default setting. I know I've left out the details, but the
general idea should work.
John Passaneau

I tried to upgrade from cs6 to cc, some programs have been successfully upgraded but some not. Problem with PS. Here is the problem: FATAL: Payload 'Camera Profiles Installer 9.0.0.6 {539AEF15-3A2B-4A31-A587-7E90F7D9C700}' information not found in Media_d

Hello, I'v been using Adobe creative suite for a real long time and this week end I upgraded to CC. Most of the applications have been installed. Unfortunately I'm not able to install Photoshop and After Effect. Here is the problem:
FATAL: Payload 'Camera Profiles Installer 9.0.0.6 {539AEF15-3A2B-4A31-A587-7E90F7D9C700}' information not found in Media_db
Anyone has a solution for me?

I have recently started having this problem in PSE8. The Adobe workaround
did work, but I don't fancy having to re register each time I use it.
What I have discovered is that it's nothing to do with the image metadata as it occurs before any image is opened.
It SEEMS to only occur if you use file/open with to open an image in the editor - IE start PSE with that command.
If you close elements down, and start it using programs/PSE/Elements (or your desktop shortcut) - the panorama feature magically works.
Each time I've opened the editor 'automatically' using image/open with, it seems to create the problem.
Hope this helps

Beta Camera Profiles installation problem

I downloaded Camera Raw 4.5 Plug in, which is needed for the beta Camera Profiles installation. CR 4.5 is definitely in the right place and working fine. According to Adobe FAQ, beta Camera Profiles belong in the Adobe folder in Camera Raw. I copy here:
Where are the new profiles installed on my computer?
On Mac OS X:
/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles
I do not have CR 4.5 in my Adobe folder, only in Plug ins. I do still have CR v 4 in the Adobe folder, but not v 4.5.
My question is... does the beta version of Camera Profiles automatically put Camera Raw 4.5 in the Adobe folder, or do I need to do something to get CR 4.5 there. I've already messed up on the download/installation of Camera Profiles by moving it into CR 4.5 the plug-in folder. When I realized my error, I have trashed that.
Can someone give me some input here ? I'm clueless. This is not a BIG DEAL, as I'm getting along fine with CS3. I;m just curious to know how CR 4.5 gets in the Adobe folder>
Thanks
carolyn

Steph_Kimball,
You're the one who is mightily confused. :)
> the recently released BETA CAMERA PROFILES which may be chosen in lieu of ARC
Assuming "ARC" is a typo for ARC, the beta camera profiles are used in ARC, inside Camera Raw,
not
"in lieu of". The new profiles, once installed appear IN the Calibrate Tag in ACR, alongside any profiles there may be there for your camera model from earlier versions of ACR, in the very same menu, not
"in lieu of".
If you do NOT have a raw file generated by a Canon or Nikon camera supported by ACR 4.6 (I'll forget about ACR 4.5 for good now), you WILL NOT see the new beta profiles appear in the dropdown menu in the calibrate tag.
You HAVE to be opening an image from a camera that is supported by the beta profiles or you will NOT see them. You'd see only the profiles from older ACR versions there.
It's akin to not seeing JPEG as an available format if you try to save a 16-bit image file through Save As, because JPEG does not support 16-bit images.
ACR must be presented with a file generated by a specific camera model supported by the beta profiles, or you won't see the beta profiles. It's that simple.
I suggest you take this discussion to the ACR forum, where it belongs, and where the ACR team hangs out, participates very actively and will be able to set you straight.
I don't think you understand how ACR works.
You are adding to the confusion here, Steph, because you are confused yourself. If you go over to the ACR forum, you will be able to interact with the creator of ACR and Photoshop, Thomas Knoll, with ACR programmer Eric Chan, and with the man who literally wrote the book on Adobe Camera Raw, Jeff Schewe.

Problem updating 2.1 to 2.2--duplicate camera profiles

I'd installed the Camera Profiles beta 2 in Lightroom 2.1.
Now that I've upgraded to Lightroom 2.2, for every camera profile there is a beta version of it.
For example, there is "Camera Portrait" and "Camera Portrait 2".
Is this normal or a glitch?

Once the beta profiles are removed, any image using them will show a blank name in the Camera Calibration panel.
Adobe should supply a tool to update the profile names from the beta to non-beta.

Histogram inconsistencies with Camera profiles - Camera Raw

Hi,
I've been going nuts with this issue for a year now since Adobe released the camera profiles for Camera Raw. Something tells me this shouldn't be happening.
Well exposed pictures taken with the D300 show an inconsistent histogram in camera raw when using the Adobe camera profiles for the D300.
This is a shame because I prefer the colour rendering of the camera profiles to that of the adobe standard profile.
This is the problem:
With the D300 I get a correct histogram in Camera Raw only if I choose the ACR 4.4 or the Adobe Standard profile. By correct I mean with black and white points filled to the edge of the histogram.
If I choose the camera neutral, standard, portrait or vivid suddenly there's an empty area in the histogram's blacks. Effectively the black point has been shifted quite a bit and I need to push up the slider for blacks up to 30 or so to get the black point back to the right place. While with Adobe standard the blacks are correct at 0 or so. Check out the pics here below.
Is this normal behaviour, or is there something wrong in my settings?

Nice pic of brain Bill. Still, I would take it without any harsh light and rather use longer exposure with tripod. You can see some sort of light source in left bottom part of brain. I assume it was a flash gun or above by lamp. Then you may get much better result ;-)
Thanks. The shot was taken using the Nikon R1C1 closeup flash unit using the diffusers to help eliminate glare. With such specular sources, one must adjust the light sources carefully to avoid glare, but the only sure way to eliminate the glare is to use crossed polarizing filters. Still, the subject is short scale and one must set the white and black points.
Now, to discuss your posted shots. If anything, your posts confirm my initial assertion, since you are correcting post processing and not by changing exposure in the camera. The corrected images are from the same raw expsosures with postprocessing. By the way, if you post your screen shots as PNG, you will eliminate the artifacts around the text.
I put some links of images to explain my point since we still talk about something else. (cannot insert pics via adobe).
http://hajes.org/img/acr/cairngorn.jpg
Brilliant example of screwed up "I have been there" photography. Exposed not very well and at worst light possible. Must go there once again and fix my incompetence.
http://hajes.org/img/acr/cairngorn2.jpg
Cairngorn is short scale because of atmospheric haze. There is no way to correct that with in camera exposure, but you could have exposed more to the right. Nonetheless, you have captured the whole dynamic range of the scene and exposing to the right would only improve the signal:noise. You had to use the exposure and black slider to set the white and black points, which only confirms what I said in my previious posts.
somehow "fixed" previous image. just for fun and learn PS CS4.
http://hajes.org/img/acr/hrad.jpg
overexposed image at first glance by untrained eye.
Hrad is a high dynamic range scene with blown highlights. Your use of the exposure control to bring down the highlights darkens the rest of the image to an undesirable degree. It would have been better to use recovery to tame the highlights. A better approach might be to deveolp for the highlights and shadows separtely and merge the results as shown below. Again the correction is in postprocessing. There would be no way to do that with a camera exposure. The use of +1EV in ACR in HRAD3 only worsens the highlight clipping.
http://imagingpro.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/expanding-the-dynamic-range-of-a-single-raw-fil e/
http://hajes.org/img/acr/hrad2.jpg
same image with 1EV extra without of any detail loss. miracle of digital sensors.
http://hajes.org/img/acr/hrad3.jpg
final image. it is just for web, so no bother about burned sky...
http://hajes.org/img/acr/tunka.jpg
again, overexposed image at first glance by untrained eye. we don't care about clipped shell in the left middle of image. it is not main interest of pic...
http://hajes.org/img/acr/tunka2.jpg
..and we again get 0.50EV extra which corrects clipping.
I don't see any evidence of overexposure. The highlights are well short of clipping and the shot is grossly underexposed--not exposed sufficiently to the right. Nonetheless, the full dynamic range of the short scale scene has been captured and the shadows are well above clipping.
In case some will wonder about weird setting of ACR. It is just for web and I still don't know all tricks of PS. Furthermore, I prefer to spend time in nature rather than in front of computer.
The settings of ACR are indeed wierd. Thomas Knoll recommends setting the highlights with the expsoure slider and the midtones with brightness. An alternative way of doing this, introduced with Lightroom, would be to set the midtones with exposure and control the highlights with recovery. A black point setting would likely be required as well. Again, no way to do that with an in camera expsoure, validating my previous assertion.

Lightroom 2 camera profiles

I've tried to install the new camera profiles in LR2 in Windows Vista without any luck. I've followed the instructions and i've checked for the files on the recomended locations. All was right, except there were still no aditional profiles on the camera calibration tab.
The profiles were located at
C:\Program Data\Adobe\Camera Raw\Camera Profiles.
There were two folders there:
Adobe Standard beta 1
Camera beta 1
I could load the profiles in ACR, but not in LR. Weird.
After a lot of re-installing i tried to copy my camera profiles to the root folder, so i picked the specific profiles and copy them to C:\Program Data\Adobe\Camera Raw\Camera Profiles
And it worked!! LR now sees the profiles!!
Just thought i'd share this, in case someone has the same problem.
Cheers.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry!! I was looking at a jpeg!! I thought it was a RAW file (Canon .CR2). I had shot a Macro and they are jpegs :-(
Now I have my profiles and the moment I changed it to my camera's profile, WOW, I finally have LR show me my files like I wanted!
Now, I STILL don't see the tiny camera with the icons at the top withthe other tools, like I saw in the Adobe page under Getting Started:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles
I really appreciate all of your help and apologize for overlooking this.
Gloria

LR 4 and custom DNG camera profiles... they are not embedded?!

i have the colorchecker passport for some days.
my workflow:
import the .CR2 raw files from memorycard as DNG copy into lightroom.
create a DNG camera profile with the colorchecker passport (LR export -> xrite colorchecker).
then i choose the created camera profile and i set the whitebalance.
all working fine... as it should.
my problem is, i don´t want to have a hundred DNG profiles, i will sure create that much over the time, on my harddisk.
i think it´s messy and it´s also not very save to have the profiles only as separate files, in case you lose the profiles.
i thought the camera profile can be embedded INTO the DNG file.
i thought the camera profile is written into the DNG files when i write the metadata back into the files.. but it seems not.
it seems the DNG camera profile is only embedded into the DNG image file when i EXPORT the DNG file again with the LR export dialog.
for example:
i choose the camera profil "MY 5D MK2 PROFIL_1" for an image and then save the metadata back into the DNG image file.
then i delete the camera profile "MY 5D MK2 PROFIL_1" from harddisk.
the next time i open LR and select the same image ... the cameraprofile is reverted back to "adobe standard" and the profil i have created is gone.
when i EXPORT the image as DNG, then even after i have deleted the DNG cameraprofile "MY 5D MK2 PROFIL_1" from the hardisk.... the profil is still in the DNG image.
that´s what i want... but i have to export all files again as DNG files.
i would really like to get rid of this extra step.
i hope my english is good enough so you understand what my problem is.
can anyone share a light on this?
is this the only way to embedd the DNG camera profile or im doing something wrong?
intel i7 2600k, win7 64bit, 16 GB ram, LR 4 final.

possible.... but imho that can lead (at least in my case ) to problems.
in the case when you forget to update the DNG manually and delete the profiles (because you think they are already embeded via STRG+S).
or when you send them to someone without updating the DNG preview... i think that is unessesary complicating things without gaining a real benefit.. not?
afaik there is no filter option so you can create a smartfilter for images that need to be updated this way?

Camera Profiles and DNG Profile Editor beta 2 now available

Hi everyone,
Beta 2 of the camera profiles and DNG Profile Editor are now available. Please visit here and enjoy:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles
I hope to have more detailed release notes/changes for you soon. You are welcome to ask questions, but please note that it may take a while for me to respond.
Eric

Eric,
I followed very carefully your instructions for installing the new beta2 profiles and deleting the beta1 profiles, but have the same problems as many others. I'd like to provide a bit more information. I'm running Windows Vista Home Premium and have installed Photoshop CS4, updated with ACR5.1 and Lightroom 2.1 final release. As others have described, the default for all of my images was set to one of the Camera profiles (Canon faithful beta1), but now the profile name in Lightroom is blank. I tried looking at the other profiles and it does indeed appear that the beta2 profile is being used, but if I then reset the image it now shows ACR4.4, whereas the image had been imported with the camera profile as default. Also, if I open an image in ACR5.1 that was specified to use the same camera profile, it now shows ACR4.4 and it is not using the beta2 profile of what I had been using, I can see this by selecting the other profiles. Going back to Lightoom, I guess I could select all my images and select the Canon faithful beta2 profile, but then the mark shows up bottom right of the image showing that they have all been edited/modified, is there anyway to get all my images using the profile I was using but the beta2 version, without this happening and how about new imports?
Thanks, David.

Strong colour shift when reselecting Adobe Standard camera profile

I'm having this curious problem with Nikon V1 NEFs (raw files) in Lightroom 4 beta.
In the develop module, Adobe Standard is selected as the default camera profile. If I switch to one of the other profiles (for the V1, the options are Camera Landscape, Neutral, Portrait, Standard, and Vivid) and then switch back to Adobe Standard, I get a strong color shift in the blues, which move towards teal. It looks like a white balance shift, but the white balance settings themselves don't change.
I've attached three screenshots, the first showing an untouched file with Adobe Standard selected as the default profile in the develop module, then with the Camera Vivid profile selected, and then with Adobe Standard reselected. Besides changing the profile, there are no edits on this file: all I've done is import it, put it in a collection, switch to the develop module, select the Camera Vivid profile and then reselect Adobe Standard.
The color shift happens regardless of which camera profile I pick before reslecting Adobe Standard. Interestingly, while the colors are off in the develop module, they're correct in the library module. Switching back and forth between library and develop doesn't fix the problem -- as long as Adobe Standard has been reselected in develop, the colors are off in that module but correct in library. The only way I've found to clear the color shift is to click reset in develop. Select another camera profile, though, and then reselect Adobe Standard and the problem comes right back.

Yes. This is a bug that has been reported/fixed after the public beta build was made ready. Somehow it did not make it to the final public beta release note. The current workaround is to relaunch LR4 or
a) Copy Settings (check all except Calibration),
b) Reset,
c) Paste Settings.
This will invalidate some internal memory cache that went stale.
-Simon

Camera Profiles in Camera Calibration do not reproduce JPG look

I shoot on my Nikon D700 in "RAW + FINE" mode, which means that for each picture the camera records two images: a RAW file, as well as a high-resolution JPG file.
As is well known, RAW files often look washed out, since they don't have any of the extra saturation and sharpening settings applied that the camera automatically applies to JPGs.
Camera Calibration / Camera Profiles is supposed to solve this problem by applying some of those standard JPG enhancements to RAW files. However, no matter which Camera Profile I choose (there are about 10 different ones shown in the Lightroom dropdown), none of them look like the JPG. The "Camera Neutral" profile comes the closest. But even this profile makes the RAW image look less saturated than the corresponding JPG.
How can I reproduce the JPG look EXACTLY? The Camera Profiles give me an approximation at best, but it still does not come close to the JPG look.

As is well known, RAW files often look washed out, since they don't have any of the extra saturation and sharpening settings applied that the camera automatically applies to JPGs.
Camera Calibration / Camera Profiles is supposed to solve this problem by applying some of those standard JPG enhancements to RAW files.
I don't think this is a true statement.
Camera Raw does not and cannot not know what settings you had in your camera that affect the JPG ... things like high contrast, high saturation, etc.
How can I reproduce the JPG look EXACTLY? The Camera Profiles give me an approximation at best, but it still does not come close to the JPG look.
The point of shooting RAW is not to reproduce that JPG look. The point of shooting RAW is to give you more control over the final appearance than you can get from shooting JPG (in other words, you might get processed photos that look nicer than the JPG). If you want to spend your time trying to reproduce that JPG look in your RAW photos, you will spend a lot of time and get very frustrated and not have that much success.
If you want that JPG look, use your JPGs. It's a lot simpler and faster.

How to make an untwisted camera profile available in LR 4.4?

I have downloaded dcpTool from http://dcptool.sourceforge.net and generated the untwisted versions of all the Nikon D700 related camera profiles (Adobe Standard, Camera Standard, etc.) that come with LR 4.4. Since the structure of the camera profile filenames seem to be important, for each file I kept the original name but added a distinction to its end (e.g. Nikon D700 Camera Standard UT.dcp).
According to the information I have collected, 'installation' of these profile versions would be as easy as copying them into the same directories where the original profiles are. Unfortunately LR 4.4 does not bring them up in the Camera Calibration module.
How should I 'install' these profiles?

Thanks again for your very useful advice. You gently explain why my idea is groundless. You are right, it is better to stay on ground.
I changed to LR recently. So far I have used only the Adobe Standard profile, but I am not very pleased with it. A few days ago I started fiddling with other D700 profiles, without any convincing color rendering improvement. This is the reason for entering the camera profiling world.
As my username reflects, I am a hobbyshooter. Most of my pictures are taken when travelling (landscapes and cityscapes) but I also shoot at family events and parties.
You have made me even more curious about the ColorChacker based profiles. I hope they will solve my main problems: skin color, the vivid reds of Nikon, and the formerly mentioned hue twist. Nevertheless, I am afraid that finding the right color rendering balance for my typical environments (particularly for indors with totally mixed lighting) will not be easy...
I am also thinking of reprocessing roughly two thousand pictures, taken years ago with D200 and D300. Do you have any suggestion how to get nice 'generic' profiles for the given camera+lens combos, which I do not have these days, so creating their profiles with ColorChecker is out of the question for me?

What does "Camera Profile" mean in the Camera Calibration tab in PSE 12?

I recently made the switch to edit exclusively in Photoshop Elements 12. I need help understanding what I need to select for the "Camera Profile" drop down in the Camera Calibration tab. I shoot with a Canon Mark II. Will the camera profile selection affect my prints at all? First, what does the camera profile mean? I go back and forth between Adobe Standard and Camera Standard. Sometimes I get truer color with Camera Standard than the Adobe Standard for my outside photos. I'm so confused as to which one I should be editing with. I just want to be sure this is not going to affect my prints because I just recently ordered a print from Millers and it was saturated, shadowing and skin had orange tone. I have never had a problem with my calibration and have always ordered from Millers with no problem. This is the first print I ordered after editing exclusively with PSE 12 so I'm wondering if I have setting wrong. Thanks so much!

Will the camera profile selection affect my prints at all?
It will affect prints to the same extent that it affects the monitor display, but no more than that. The differences that you see in color rendering when switching between profiles will be embodied in the jpg that you eventually make for sending to the print lab, but will not in itself cause the discrepancies you describe.

ACR 5.7 can see camera profiles in Bridge CS4 but not in Lightroom 2.7

When utilizing ACR5.7 through Bridge CS4 - the cameral profiles are easily applied for my .NEF files (Nikon D300) but when I am in Lightroom 2.7 the camera profiles are not available unless I convert the nef to DNG. I have tried to search the web and these forums but I am unable to locate the answer to my problem:
Why can't I see the camera profiles in Lightroom for my nef files when I can see them through Bridge.. (both running ACR 5.7)
Windows XP xp3
Lightroom 2.7
Bridge CS4
ACR 5.7
Nikon D300 profiles
Thanks for the help.
NGG

For those who might be reading this and having "odd" problems .. my solution was to delete my preferences file.
http://lightroomers.com/replacing-the-lightroom-preference-file/745/
This solved several odd issues I was seeing in my lightroom including the camera profiles..

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