Final mix again

Hallo out there,
Well , I posted a thread a couple of weeks ago picking brains about final mixes and had a lot of helpful suggestions . Now I have another! I have seven songs with background sea and bird sounds which I bounced down and burnt to disc.
Played it on a couple of stereos and it sounds ok but when I played it through the TV it sounds ruddy awful. All the trebles are up and the bass is boomy and ..well the whole mix sounds crap! I havent used any limiters or compressors on the final output yet so could this be the way to solve this or am I having to go back to a full re mix? In which case how does one get a good example playing it through me mac that will give me a good representation of the TV? Or is it just a question of trying dif bounces with compressor and limiter and the like?
Help!
Marto

Hi there Justin,
Thanks for reply. Yes, I am slowly getting to know the little dears but the prob I've got is the music sounds as I want it through my tannoy monitors and through the stereo speakers but the TV is so radically diferent I really don't know where to start. On the mix played through the mac and a stereo the music has a warm feel to it which disapears when heard through the tv. Sounds like I've recorded the guitar and tympany in a biscuit tin! Seems to be loosing depth on mid range ! Have tried a new mix with adjustments on the graphic equaliser but it seems a bit hit and miss! ...I know ... hit it with big heavy object and revert to pub! Back to the tweaking.
Marto

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Okay here's the details. Any help is appreciated:
I took SD2 files from a 8 track pro tools recording session. 24bit/48kHz.
I opened them in logic pro 7.2, did the mix, exporting the mix as stereo 24bit/48khz SD2 file. I then opened the mix file in SparkME, cut it to tracks, and exported the tracks as 16bit/48kHz aif files.
Listening to my final mixed tracks, they are down in pitch, perhaps a semi-tone, or 1.5 semitones from the original SD2 files. I'm using Quicktime 7 to listen to the tracks playback. I'm not sure why this happened.
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Sounds like a sample rate conversion happened somewhere... Seems to me that your system (QT, and perhaps SparkME, which I'm not familiar with) is clocking at 44.1K and trying to play back a 48K file (which would result in the pitch sounding lower).
I've never run into a situation with Logic where the sample rate of files changes unless I've deliberately dome a sample rate conversion, or, exported files at a deliberately different sample rate.
Don't play back your processed/mixed files in QT or anything else. Start from square 1 --- open the original Logic session and listen to your before-you-mixed-the-track files. See if the pitch is correct. Then follow the chain of events until you find the place where the sample rate conversion took place.
OR...
Change the sample rate of your system to 48 and then playback your mix file in QT.
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