Final Output & DVD Question

Hey Everyone,
I recently completed a short film and exported to Quicktime at the highest level and the film looks fantastic.
When I sent it to Compressor at the best quality I could get and outputted to DVD, it still looks good, but if I get close enough to the screen I can see some very minor lines around the edge of things (like an actors head or a closeup of a piece of paper, etc). Is this normal with compression rates on a DVD? Should the image be as crisp as the QT .mov file? Is there a way to make it crisp?
After briefly reviewing a film I own DVD, I am thinking it is normal, but I wanted to make sure. I am getting ready for the film festival submissions...and may be using a DVD to screen off of in certain festivals.
Since I shot with the Canon HV-40 in 24p mode and captured the settings at 23.98, I wasn't sure if deinterlacing would be beneficial or not.
Look forward to your thoughts/knowledge.

Hi Ben,
I did not edit with a real production monitor (I plan to get one in the future) I edited on a the 27 inch IMAC. My TV is not HDTV either, but is 16:9 frame. '
When I was in Compressor preview mode, I even noticed these flaws there. It sounds like this is most likely the norm when it comes to this. Is that correct?
Also, I spoke with Apple yesterday and they told me to just export by sharing from Final Cut Pro directly versus using Compressor and to use Dual Layer DVD's. Not sure if that made much of a difference or not.
- Eric
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+1. For making DVDs, is it best to use iMovie HD6, 08, 09 (bought, but not installed yet), (or even FCE4-no experience with this at all, but have access)?+
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GeeThree http://www.geethree.com
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Apple http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/ezediapluginsforimovievol1.html
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     at java.lang.Throwable.getLocalizedMessage(Throwable.java:284)
     at java.lang.Throwable.toString(Throwable.java:360)
     at java.lang.Throwable.<init>(Throwable.java:259)
     at java.lang.Exception.<init>(Exception.java:94)
     at com.crystaldecisions.reports.common.CrystalException.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at com.crystaldecisions.reports.common.CrystalException.<init>(Unknown Source)
     at com.crystaldecisions.reports.exportinterface2.exceptions.ExportException.<init>(SourceFile:22)
     at com.crystaldecisions.reports.exportinterface2.exceptions.InternalFormatterException.<init>(SourceFile:15)
     at com.crystaldecisions.reports.formatter.export2.ExportSupervisorEx.if(SourceFile:763)
     at com.crystaldecisions.reports.formatter.export2.ExportSupervisorEx.if(SourceFile:619)
     at com.crystaldecisions.reports.formatter.export2.ExportSupervisorEx.a(SourceFile:586)
     at com.businessobjects.reports.sdk.requesthandler.ReportViewingRequestHandler.a(SourceFile:636)
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     at com.businessobjects.reports.sdk.JRCCommunicationAdapter.do(SourceFile:1944)
     at com.businessobjects.reports.sdk.JRCCommunicationAdapter.if(SourceFile:661)
     at com.businessobjects.reports.sdk.JRCCommunicationAdapter.a(SourceFile:167)
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     at com.businessobjects.reports.sdk.JRCCommunicationAdapter.for(SourceFile:525)
     at com.businessobjects.reports.sdk.JRCCommunicationAdapter.int(SourceFile:424)
     at com.businessobjects.reports.sdk.JRCCommunicationAdapter.request(SourceFile:352)
     at com.businessobjects.sdk.erom.jrc.a.a(SourceFile:54)
     at com.businessobjects.sdk.erom.jrc.a.execute(SourceFile:67)
     at com.crystaldecisions.proxy.remoteagent.RemoteAgent$a.execute(SourceFile:716)
     at com.crystaldecisions.proxy.remoteagent.CommunicationChannel.a(SourceFile:125)
     at com.crystaldecisions.proxy.remoteagent.RemoteAgent.a(SourceFile:537)
     at com.crystaldecisions.sdk.occa.report.application.ds.a(SourceFile:186)
     at com.crystaldecisions.sdk.occa.report.application.ReportSource.a(SourceFile:1558)
     at com.crystaldecisions.sdk.occa.report.application.ReportSource.a(SourceFile:337)
     at com.crystaldecisions.sdk.occa.report.application.ReportSource.export(SourceFile:286)
     at com.crystaldecisions.sdk.occa.report.application.AdvancedReportSource.export(SourceFile:209)
     at com.businessobjects.report.web.event.bh.a(SourceFile:158)
     at com.businessobjects.report.web.event.o.a(SourceFile:146)
     at com.businessobjects.report.web.event.bw.broadcast(SourceFile:93)
     at com.businessobjects.report.web.event.am.a(SourceFile:53)
     at com.businessobjects.report.web.a.t.if(SourceFile:2104)
     at com.businessobjects.report.web.e.a(SourceFile:300)
     at com.businessobjects.report.web.e.a(SourceFile:202)
     at com.businessobjects.report.web.e.a(SourceFile:135)
     at com.crystaldecisions.report.web.ServerControl.a(SourceFile:607)
     at com.crystaldecisions.report.web.ServerControl.processHttpRequest(SourceFile:342)
     at com.crystaldecisions.report.web.viewer.CrystalReportViewerServlet.a(SourceFile:109)
     at com.crystaldecisions.report.web.viewer.CrystalReportViewerServlet.doPost(SourceFile:69)
     at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:637)
     at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:717)
     at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:290)
     at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:206)
     at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:233)
     at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:191)
     at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:127)
     at org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:102)
     at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:109)
     at org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:298)
     at org.apache.jk.server.JkCoyoteHandler.invoke(JkCoyoteHandler.java:190)
     at org.apache.jk.common.HandlerRequest.invoke(HandlerRequest.java:291)
     at org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.invoke(ChannelSocket.java:774)
     at org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket.processConnection(ChannelSocket.java:703)
     at org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket$SocketConnection.runIt(ChannelSocket.java:896)
     at org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run(ThreadPool.java:690)
     at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636)
Edited by: muthusada on Jan 11, 2012 3:09 AM

Premiere Workflow Final Product Quality Question - General

Clarification: This is just a general workflow question regardless of hardware/software/cpu/gpu. I'm also not asking about rendering times - just how the final product looks.
Do any one of the following 3 workflow methods have any bearing on the "quality" or "look/feel" of the final output of a project.
Specific effects are named in my examples just for the heck of it - the root of my question is if any given workflow with any given effects applied affects the quality of the final export/render.
#1) Raw Clip => Apply Sharpness => Apply Levels => Apply Three-Way CC => Export final product.
#2) Raw Clip => Apply Sharpness => Export Clip => Import Clip => Apply Levels => Export Clip => Import Clip => Apply Three-Way CC => Export final product.
#3) Raw Clip (sequence 1) => Apply Sharpness => Create sequence 2 and drag sequence 1 onto it => Apply Levels to sequence 2 => Create sequence 3 and drag sequence 2 onto it => apply Three-Way CC to sequence 3 => Export sequence 3 as final product.

Jim's answer is probably based on the fact that no matter what you do to a video, exporting it will degrade the quality almost every time. But that is not only acceptable, but absolutely necessary. What video would you have that did not require some adjustments, even if just a straight cut.
In any case, I think the answer you really want is:
#1 looks normal. So that's fine.
#2 will degrade the image every time you export unless you export to a completely lossless codec like Lagarith - which creates HUGE files and is totally unnecessary. It is just a bad workflow.
#3 is technically the same as #1. It's fine. No problem. In fact, it can be quite handy sometimes to work that way. Nesting does not cause the problems that exporting does.

Exporting to Final Cut Studio questions.

Hi Everyone.
Sorry for the rookie question. I have been searching for answers and found a few things about exporting but have a few question I was hoping someone could answer.
I have created a project in LiveType. It's 10seconds long. 720x480, square pixels, progressive. Final output will be on QT. The video is heavy on effects and takes about 2-3 minutes to render.
Which file do I use in FCPro? The LiveType file or the QT file that LiveType Renders? I was using the actual LiveType file that way if I have any changes I can go back... change it in LiveType and then it updates in FinalCut. However... that requires a lot of rendering time in FinalCut. Is that the proper process of importing and exporting between the two?
Also... I have the LiveType file exactly how I want it. I thought FinalCut might have an easier time using a QT file from LiveType. However, when I render from LiveType the .MOV file is 350megs... that seems kind of large to me for 10 seconds. When I import it into FinalCut I still have to render it, which takes forever and then if I add a transition it has to render that as well. My settings are the same for in Final Cut as they are in LiveType. I was hoping for a faster process. Why does FCPro have to render my .mov file if it's already 720x480, progressive, 30fps... all setting are identical?
Thanks in advance. Feel like I'm really close to understanding all that is going on... just looking for a little bit more guidance.

Hi Doug thanks for the reply.
I'm going to be showing this using QT that's why I want square pixels. It's never going to be shown on a TV screen. It's going to be projected using a projector to a screen. I like the look of a more rectangular image.
I'll stick with the .ipr workflow. Thanks for the advice.
I have another question. When I render my LiveType animation does it render it uncompressed? Is that why the .mov file it creates is so big? At a duration of 10 second the .mov file is about 350MB. When I import it into FinalCut it takes forever to render and work with... so does the .ipr file.
Is there anything I can do to speed up this process?
When LiveType finishes rendering my animation I created it opens the rendered .mov file for playback. I ended up saving it from this position using the .264 compression. Which took the .mov file down to 7megs and final cut is able to handle it much better. Is this OK?
Thanks again.

Outputting DVD video to TV monitor

Hi,
I'm wondering if there is a way to output DVD video from my Mac Mini through firewire, using my DV camcorder as a pass through to a VCR/TV. I can't seem to get it to work, and seem to think that the problem lies either in the encoding of DVD video or copyright protection, since I haven't been able to do it successfully.
Thanks,
Andy Golebiowski

No, it has to do with the capabilities of the system. There is no way that I am aware of (and some pretty thorough google searching has revealed nothing) to cause DVD footage to play out through a firewire port.
Has anyone else heard of a way of being able to do this?
If you "rip" your DVD video to a Quicktime format that can be brought into iMovie or Final Cut, you would be able to stream the video back out to the firewire. But using a non-linear editor as a playback mechanism is a bit weird.

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