FinalCut Pro and AVC-Intra

When is Apple going to release the AVC-Intra codec for FinalCutPro
NAB 2007
Panasonic AVC-Intra
AVC comes from MPEG-4 Part 10 H.264, now often referred to as just
AVC (Advanced Video Coding). AVC is about twice as efficient as MPEG-2, meaning that comparable HD video quality can be achieved at half the bitrate (AVC-Intra at 50Mbps = MPEG-2 Intra at 100Mbps). Panasonic states that AVC-Intra-50 achieves approx. the same compressed HD quality as their DVCPRO-HD (100Mbps). Their AVC-Intra-100 (100Mbps) achieves approx. the same compressed HD quality as Panasonic's famous master quality D5HD video tape recorder format. Thus, Panasonic in 2007 will offer two (2) truly professional intra-frame HD compression modes in their new HD camcorders: High quality ENG and broad market EFP with AVC-Intra-50 and network origination quality EFP with AVC-Intra-100.

Its against the forum's terms of use to speculate about future Apple developments. If anyone knew, they couldn't say. But don't worry ... you can always find out as soon as it's released or included in an update by checking here often (especially around NAB time).
-DH

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What am I missing? Time to upgrade? What can I do in the meantime.
Thanks for the ideas!

Well, you can't use the file he sent unless you upgrade. But if you get the card dumps back, you should be able to LOG AND TRANSFER to ProRes on your system fine. Or was that the issue? They had garbage at the end?
Trashing preferences fixes a lot of FCP oddities.
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I am very interested in when Adobe is going to release support for Panasonic's professional codec, AVC-Intra 100. We love Premier but use the AVC-Intra codec now almost exclusively (along with RED). We understood from NAB that Premier was working natively with AVC-Intra codec and that it was likely going to be included in the big 4.1 update.
Any news Adobe gurus? This would be a huge help to many studios.
Cheers.

Let me start by saying that I don't have any more info then most on this site, but I disagree with you, Eddie.
If I had to bet, I'd say we see AVC-Intra in another update before the years out. I think we're a long way from CS5 (maybe NAB 2010 timeframe?), and for the presets to be there now tells me that they are working on it...they were showing it at NAB so they can't be that far off.
CS3 had quite a few updates, and CS4 has only had 2 so far. I think it's within the realm of possibility that we could see another update or two...hopefully one that fixes the program monitor freeze issue.
And as for Adobe announcing patches, they very rarely seem to do that - it seems like we hear about them no to long before they come out.
Again, you could be completely right. Who knows. But I tend to think it'll be soon...but not soon enough for many of us waiting for it.

Does CS4 support AVC-Intra. Smoke and mirrors on the Adobe site

Just wondering if CS4 does support P2 AVC-Intra format? On the supported codec Adobe page it's no...
Quote: Panasonic P2 import with browsing and metadata support
Enjoy support for native editing of content from Panasonic P2 cameras in DVCPRO, DVCPRO HD, and across multiple P2 cards.
http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/premiere/supportedformats.html
but on the Google cached site it says yes...
Quote Panasonic P2 import with browsing and metadata support
Enjoy support for native editing of content from Panasonic P2 cameras in DVCPRO, DVCPRO HD, and AVC-Intra formats, and across multiple P2 cards.
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:HEb3cZ9XKwQJ:www.adobe.com/uk/products/premiere/suppo rtedformats.html+premiere+pro+cs4+avc-intra&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au
What gives?
Peter

I too am VERY interested in this support. We shoot quite a bit in AVC-Intra 100 and I was counting the days until the 4.1 update because from what I understood from NAB that codec would be supported in the update.
Adobe gurus...any update or timeframe?? As this is an important part of our workflow I would appreciate any feedback possible.

AVC Intra support and suggestions

We are in the market for a new camera, and we want to stay panasonic to match our existing library, mostly footage shot on an HDX900. We are debating on the HPX2000 or another HDX900. We understand they are very comparable in quality with an slight(?) edge going to 2000 with the AVC Intra codec.
The question comes down to FCP. I know it supports AVC-I to an extent in that must be transcoded to ProRes. I read that the transcode takes about 2 x realtime. We have a Mac Pro 2.66 dual core with 6 GB Ram writing out to a SATA RAID tower, does that still seem accurate?
I don't know if FCP has any plans to run AVC-I natively anytime soon. So would anyone with any AVC-I experience please let me know if it the transcode is worth my time?
Thanks.

So would anyone with any AVC-I experience please let me know if it the transcode is worth my time?
Yeah...definately worth your time. The 2000 and AVCintra...vs the 2000 and DVCPRO HD is night and day. 10 bit codec vs 8-bit DVCPRO HD...your colorist will LOVE you. And you will see the difference.
And this is what assistants are for...paid less to do all of the grunt work.
Shane

Since last Premiere Pro CC Update no more MXF AVC-Intra Class 100 Playback. Any suggestions?

I updated Premiere Pro CC two hours ago and since then there is no more realtime playback of my MXF AVC-Intra Class100 1080p footage, which worked perfectly bevore. When paused it shows the current frame of the footage after about 10 seconds. Does anyone else have this problem or are there suggestions what I can do?
Thank you! David

Hi Vinay,
the reset of the preferences did the job! Thank you very much for your help! For everyone else having the same problem, press "ALT" while starting premiere to reset the preferences.
Thank you very much!!
Regards, David

Panasonic AVC Intra codec and FCP 2

Does anyone know if the latest version of FCP supports the new AVC Intra codec found on the higher-end Panasonic P2 HD cameras? We're a production house, and are considering investing in the Panasonic AJ-HPX3000 P2 HD camera, which is starting to ship this month. I know FCP Studio 2 supports the ProRes 422 codec; I'm wondering if we would have to convert the footage from the HPX3000 to ProRes 422 so it could be edited in FCP, and how long that process would take. Thanks!

If the camera does component or sdi out, you can use a Kona3 or io hd to convert to ProRes422 during real time playback.
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Hey guys ive got issues with my macbook pro that i bought not a year ago, and for the last week its just randomly restarting especially when im watching a video or using finalcut pro x can someone help me?

hey guys ive got issues with my macbook pro that i bought not a year ago, and for the last week its just randomly restarting especially when im watching a video or using finalcut pro x can someone help me?

What do you mean "Leave them my laptop again"? do you mean you have had it worked on before? for the same problem or a different one?
You need to take it in to Apple ASAP. No matter how long they have it, you want it fixed and fixed correctly.
top_cheese_1 wrote:
i bought it june 2012.. still on the warranty. i just didnt wanted to leave them my laptop again, but ok if you think thats what i should do..

Premiere Pro still can't import AVC-Intra

After months of contacting Adobe's non-existant customer support, Premiere Pro CS4 still won't import AVC-Intra footage without giving an error message. Adobe's customer support has NEVER called me back, even though a call was promised within 24 hours every time. I have installed the update which is supposed to import AVC-Intra, but it gives the error message.

try re-naming your footage with a .mov extension.
see if that works.
not really a fix but it might work.
ENjoy: GLenn

FCP 7 is supposed to work with AVC Intra 50 and 100.... BUT

Ok this one is very strange. You can log AVC Intra 100 (from a Panasonic P2 HD cam) in its native AVC Intra 100 format.... but here comes the great puzzle....
There is no Setting in the Sequence Settings drop down menu to match that??????? Did Apple forget to put that specifik codec there or what?
So what you get is a Sequence that has to be ProRes but your footage is AVC Intra...
OK you lost me on this one....

Yes Codec wise the MXF files are an I-frame H264 MPEG 4 compression - but that is not what I uppose against.
Its Apple banging the big drum saying, that now FCP 7 works naitivly with AVC Intra both 50 and 100.
AND.... thats NOT true. Anyhow... its not logical that you dont have a Apple AVCIntra codec choise in your sequence settings.
YES I know to set the Sequence settings for ProRes... But that I have done for 2 years now and had to wait for FCP to transcode the AVCIntra MXF files to ProRES....
Now I have to wait for my sequence to render all the time, and I dont think thats a great trade off - more like a pain in the but

Premiere pro cs6 - Bildfehler mit AVC Intra 50

Bei der Darstellung von AVC Intra 50 Material in Premiere Pro CS6 kommt es immer wieder zu Bildfehlern. Leider ist es nicht nur ein Darstellungsfehler, auch beim Exportieren des fertigen Films bleiben die Fehler erhalten. Das Material liegt einwandfrei auf meinem Rechner (Windows 7) vor. Bridge kann es ebenfalls einwandfrei darstellen. Mir scheint, dass Premiere die Fehler erzeugt. Weiß jemand Rat? Bei der Grafikkarte handelt es sich um eine Cuda-lizenzierte Karte von Nvidia GTX470

Eigenartig. Das Problem besteht nicht mehr. Ich hatte die Tage den Grafiktreiber erneuert (Nvidia 9.18.13.4448 vom 16.10.2014 mit GTX 470,). Ansonsten ist bis auf die üblichen Windows Updates (Windows 7 64 Bit, AMD 8350) alles beim Alten. Der Fehler bestand darin, dass Bildzeilen auf verschiedenen Sequenzen eines Files miteinander vermischt wurden. Das Material stammt von einer Panasonic HPX 250, gefilmt in AVC INtra 50, 1080i)
Aber wie gesagt, das Problem scheint sich in Luft aufgelöst zu haben. Ich vermute, dass es dann wohl am Grafiktreiber lag. Wie das zusammenhängt, ist mir natürlich ein Rätsel.

I am using PP 2014 to edit AVC-Intra 100M 1080i50 and the audio keeps dropping out

the audio comes back as soon as I stop and start the timeline.
HP Z600
W7 Ultimate

Hi DV,
Sorry you are having issues. FWIW, I also run a Mac and do not have these issues - however, I am still running OS X 10.8.5 on my personal machine.
First of all, we need a lot more info: FAQ: What information should I provide when asking a question on this forum?
deadvessel wrote:
i have been getting the wierdest, most ridiculous issues using PP , 2014
You say you are using "PP 2014," however, that is not precise enough. Which version of Premiere Pro CC 2014 are you using? 8.0.1, 8.1, or 8.2? Choose Premiere Pro > About Premiere Pro and look at the bottom of the dialog box. That will give you a precise version number.
deadvessel wrote:
Here is a list:
Indeed, that's quite a list. My first suggestion is that you check out this article and perform the fixes there, if necessary: Premiere Pro CC, CC 2014, or 2014.1 freezing on startup or crashing while working (Mac OS X 10.9, and later) Are all the permissions set correctly?
The other issue I see a lot is needlessly updating a project file in the middle of a project. The advice here is to avoid updating a project file to a new version of Premiere Pro as you work on it. Update before a new project is created.
Try a test: update to Premiere Pro CC 2014.2 (8.2) and create a brand new project. Does it work better now?
Thanks,
Kevin

Black screen while using x264 with AVC Intra 100

Hey,
I've got Premiere Pro CS6 and I've started testing the use of x264 with Dxtory. The problem I face is that the footage is incompatible with every sequence preset (as far as I know) apart from AVC Intra 100 (AVC Intra 100 1080p 30fps is the one I'm trying to use). However when I use this preset all that the preview gives me is a black screen wheras the audio is playing perfectly. This isn't urgent as it's always possible to just convert the footage to MP4 with Handbrake however not being able to use this codec would be a shame, especially since I've seen others using it without any problems at all.
Thanks,
Lawrie

I'm not familiar with x264 or Dxtory, but a search of the forum for "x264" and "black" led to this thread: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4733946#4733946.
Which leads me to ask: what is the extension of the file? A little research on Dxtory leads me to suspect that it's an .avi. According to the thread above, Premiere does not support x264 content in an AVI wrapper.

AVC INTRA CODEC is not working

Im using a dual 2.5 GHz Power PC G5 8GB ram OSX 10.4.11 and FCP studio 2 w/all the latest
updates.
I get a WARNING " AVC-intra codec is unsuported on PPC" when I try to log and transfer
a avc 100 file from my 32GB P2 card .
I downloaded the codec from panasonic but its not working.
I read that it need to have an intel based mac, is this true?

*I read that it need to have an intel based mac, is this true?*
Application-Specific Requirements
Final Cut Pro
Capturing HD resolution video using the ProRes 422 format requires a Mac Pro with an Intel Xeon processor or a G5 Quad computer and a qualified third-party capture card.
*AVCHD support is only available on Intel based Macs.*
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/specs.html

Avc-intra ingesting problem ou may be just confusion....

I'm using this new HPX-300 with the AVC-INTRA 100 codec. And when i import the content using log and transfer (final cut 7!!!) with avc-intra native plug-in, all that, to apple ProRes 422 hq compression the size of the video is like 14 mb/s is that right (and the video is full of color and complex)? and the quality doesn't look so good too, but this i fink is because of my computer.... AND THE INFORMATION OF THE VIDEO IN THE INFO WINDOW (more info part) IS SAYING:
DIMENDION 1920x1080 --> this is ok but....
CODEC: AI16, LINEAR PMC, TIMECODE ---> why not apple Pro Res 422 (hq) ???
COLOR PROFILE:HD (1-1-1) ---> This should't be 4-2-2 ?!?!?!?!?!
DURATION: 02:44
TOTAL BIT RATE: 116,254
SIZE: 2.39gb
If some one can explain to me who does this work i apreciate!
And before all Tanks for sharing.
Message was edited by: Gustavo AVC-intra
Message was edited by: Gustavo AVC-intra

When you import AVCIntra into FCP 7, you have many MANY options. To see these options you need to go into the Log and Transfer preferences, located in the sprocket drop down menu. You can import as AVCI Native, or ProRes, ProRes HQ, ProRes LT, ProRes Proxy, Apple Intermediate Codec... Now when you say that the codec is AI16...that might be Apple Intermediate, not ProRes. Go back and make sure the preferences for that codec are set right.
the video is like 14 mb/s is that right (and the video is full of color and complex)?
It is because the video is HD and complex...yes. To get the footage to an EDITABLE format that FCP can decode and encode, you need to go ProRes, and yes, it can have a higher data rate than AVCI Native.
and the quality doesn't look so good too, but this i fink is because of my computer....
That is because computer monitors do not show you full quality. And FCP doesn't either. It lowers the resolution in order to play back all the frames. To see the full quality you need a capture device and a high quality monitor.
Shane

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