Finding all "virtual copies" in my database
For a couple months now, I have been using virtual copies for certain tasks which I now realize would have been much easier done if I had chosen to use snapshots instead. Now i have dozens of virtual copies of my RAW images scattered all over the place, and I can't seem to find a way to quickly gather them all up into one place so that I can deal with them...Is there a way to do this, or does it really have to be done by manually going through my entire collection of images and keeping an eye out for the page curl icon on each virtual copy's thumbnail? Please advise...Thanks!
Disagree John
I'll pollute my keyword the way i like. I don't use KWords a great deal, but for this situation it would provide the ideal solution, so the user does not have to keep chopping and changing between modules as one edits there images.
That is what keywords are for. To allow the user to filter/view there images according to there own desires. I create a keyword "virtual copy" for all my VC, but it is annoying to have to go back to the library from the develop module to do this for each individual image.
Also, VC and greyscale are 2 particular and unique editing option provided in the develop module within LR, that require DB management in bulk.
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