Fios+Moch+Multiple Airport Extreme/Express Units

I currently have the following setup:
- Verizon Fios Router (actiontec). Wifi is on but rarely use the SSID.
- Airport Extreme connected via ethernet to Fios Router which broadcasts to other aiprort expresses in my apt. Setup to "create wireless network"
- The airport express units "extend" the network and is in bridge mode. Printer is connected to one of the airport express units.
While this works, the wifi connections in other rooms is very weak as I live in an old building. Download speeds of 2-3mbps vs 40-50 when I am near my main airport extrme. The express units help a little but the speed suffers.
So I bought 2 MOCA adapters to help. If I attach the airport express units to these adapters the speed is excellent, except it uses the SSID from the Fios Router which makes it difficult to print and use other features of the apple routers.
My understanding is that if I disable the router on the verizon actiontec I lose functionality of the tv guide, on demand etc.
Any recommended solutions?

The express plugged into the MOCA unit should be in bridge.
It should also be setup to create a wireless network. Use the same SSID as the Apple Extreme.
It does however sound like the extreme is in the wrong mode.. it should also be in bridge.. you do not mention that.. just that it creates a wireless network which is correct.

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On a network with multiple airports (extreme, express, + time capsule), do they all have to be "guest" capable devices in order to offer guest networking?

Here's the situation: I have three older devices:
a1254 Time Capsule
a1134 airport extreme
a1264 express
none of these support guest networking, according to Apple. If I add a newer Extreme (3rd gen or higher) that support guest networks, will that be possible to offer to guests within range of the Extreme, -OR- do I have to upgrade my entire network of Apple wifi devices? Help appreciated, esp if you have such a setup. thanks!

The problem here is guest network only works if the Apple Router is indeed the main router.. you cannot setup guest network on a bridged router. Although it appears you can, it doesn't actually work.
You could modify the network setup..
Use one device dedicated to a secondary guest network. This would actually work better than using guest but you should have some way to prevent access to computers from guest.. that may be easy or hard depending on the modem you are using.

I am unable to see my Airport Extreme/Express on my MacBook via Airport Utility

I have two issues:
1. I am unable to see my Airport Extreme and my Airport Express via my MacBook Air's Airport Utility when I scan for Base Stations. However, the computer is happily connected to the wireless network of my Extreme (the Express is used to extend range)
2. I am unable to see a HDD that is connected via USB cable to the Airport Extreme.
Any suggestions welcome.
Thanks

Further info:
Setup
MacBook Air running OS X 10.5.8
AirPort Extreme Base Station
AirPort Express used to extend range
AirPort Utility v5.5.3
The MacBook Air is actually connected to the wireless network provided by the two AirPorts!
Oddly, I see both AirPorts just fine when using my older PowerBook G4 with an older version of the AirPort Utility.
In addition, I cannot see the external HDD connected to the AirPort Extreme Base Station, and my wireless printer (HP D410a) suddenly stopped working via the MacBook Air. However, it works just fine from my iPhone, which is connected to the same AirPort Extreme/Express wireless network.
Recently, at the request of Sky Broadband, I switched to fixed IP addresses instead of DHCP, as I was having issues with the DHCP set-up.

Few questions about Airport Extreme/Express

I have a few questions about Airport extreme/express:
1 Can you access hard drive trough express?
2 I have cable NOT wireless modem. What would be the best option (speed-wise) to connect to internet- connect modem to Extreme and access internet wirelessly from it? To connect modem to Extreme and imac?
3 How fast is read/ write from hard drive connected to Extreme?
4 How many hard drives can you connect to Extreme (or Express if that is possible)?
5 Can you remotely sync Ipod nano/ shuffle using Extreme?
I really hate wire clutter around my desk. What I intend to do is to connect hard drives and printer to Airport Extreme and access them remotely. That would leave empty desk:).
Thanks

1. You cannot connect a hard drive to the Airport Express USB port.
2. The speed of wireless networking is faster than the speed of most cable internet services. Therefore, you won't notice any difference in your internet connection speed between (a) a cabled connection directly between Mac and modem or (b) a wireless connection between Mac and base station and modem.
3. Apple has not published any specs on the speed of hard drive access for the Airport Extreme N Base Station. Several people have posted their own measurements (do a search in this discussion forum), and generally those results are not very good.
4. Apple has not placed a limit on the number of drives you can attach to the Airport Extreme N Base Station (with use of a hub). How many do you want to connect?
5. You cannot remotely sync an iPod using the Extreme Base Station.

Airport extreme & express - I am tearing out the little hair i have left !!

Can anyone help with this problem before i am completly bald.
I have just bought a new imac (with intel chip) and i am wanting to locate it downstairs but the room is in a wireless deadspot.
I have a pc upstairs connected to a bb cable connection. I have now replaced my belkin wireless router with an airport extreme base station and an airport express to act as a booster for the imac downstairs.
i have installed the extreme base station ok and it works for the pc which is hard wired to it and wirelessly for the imac when in range. I am having problems trying to set up the airport express as a relay station.
Every time i configure the extreme to act as a wds and then add the airport express it cuts off the pc connection and the imac, I must not be doing the settings correctly in the airport admin - is it something to do with sharing ip addresses ??
I have followed the instructions on this site but still having probs - can anyone offer help or guidence please
Thanks
imac intel 2ghz 250g Mac OS X (10.4.4) extreme base station airport express

Thanks for your great advice and assistance. I have read the various articles that you linked and will try the new extended configuration using my old 4th gen as soon as my new 5th gen extreme arrives from Apple. I may also try using the express as well by going off in a somewhat different direction on the upstairs floor where the primary base unit is connected to the cable modem. My original reason for upgrading to the new 5th gen was not because the range and signal strength were inadequate, but rather to try and get some improvement in the wireless download speeds from the 4th gen extreme and the extended express. My Mac using an Ethernet connection from the extreme was delivering download speeds of 49 to 50 Mbs all the time, while the wireless download speeds to my new iPad or my iPhone 5 were only about 15Mbs coming from the extreme and 7-8 Mbs if I was downloading through the express. I have been reading lots of comments on this subject for over a year now, with many others experiencing the same problem, but Apple never really acknowledging that there was even an issue. The only solution seemed to be that people who upgraded to the 5th gen. we're getting much better performance across all performance issues. Here's hoping for success in the next few days. Thanks again for your assistance.

Help in Planning Network: G5/iBook G4/Airport Extreme & Express?

Hi Folks,
I could use some help setting up a WiFI network to accomplish three goals (see below).
Hardware and Software:
Computers
-Dual Core 2.3 GHz PowerPC G5 Desktop Computer (note: NO internal airport WiFi card), OS 10.4.11
-iBook G4 with internal Airport Card (currently with dead HD, awaiting a replacement HD any day). Can't remember is this has an early version of OS10.4 or 10.3.
Airport
-Airport Express 802.11n (MB321LL/A, model #A1264)
-Airport Extreme base station model #A1034 (older unit with 2003 date)
-Airport Card internal card in the iBook G4
Airport Software loaded on my G5:
-Airport Admin Utility v5.4.2
-Airport Disk Utility v1.5.3
** I do NOT have Airport Setup Assistant software on the G5, nor can I locate it on the OS install disks that came with the G5.
Network Goals:
Previously, I've setup a simple WiFi network in my apartment by using only the Airport Express: I connected the DSL modem to the Airport Express and transmitted the WiFI internet signal to the iBook. I haven't had that setup for quite some time; recently I was given the Airport Extreme and I'd like to finally get a network up and running.
I have a roommate that wants internet access so I'd like to setup a WiFi network to accomplish as many of the following three goals as possible:
1) Wifi internet capability.
1a) G5 wired connection to DSL modem/Airport Express as my primary internet connection and for fastest speeds (again, no WiFI card in the G5).
1b) Transmit WiFi internet signal so my roommate can share internet access, but for security purposes limit my roommate from accessing any data/files on my computer(s).
1c) WiFi internet access for my own G4 iBook.
2) WiFi file sharing network
2a) Wireless network so that my G4 iBook can access data/files from my G5 (private network roommate excluded).
3) Stream iTunes.
I have my iTunes library on an external HD, currently connected to my G5. I'd like to broadcast iTunes music to another room. Can the Airport Extreme stream iTunes from my G5 (the latter with no internal Airport Card) to another room where the Airport Express is connected to another stereo receiver/speakers? If yes, can I use my G4 laptop as an iTunes remote control to make music selections?
Question: Can all (or most?) of these goals be accomplished with the hardware/software on hand?
.... so....
Currently, I plugged in the Airport Extreme connected with an ethernet cable to the G5 (using the connection with the <- -> symbol on the Airport Extreme). The G5 doesn't identify the Airport Extreme, which makes me think I need the AIrport Setup Assistant Software?
In any case, I'm lost as to how to configure this setup to accomplish my goals. I've owned Apple since 1994 but haven't delved far into setting up networks.
Any guidance and help would be tremendously appreciated!
Thanks a bunch,
Lovegasoline

Bump.
Can anyone offer some basic guidance?
Do I need Airport Setup Assistant software to configure this network?
Thanks.

Best option for multiple Airport Extreme base station setup

I'm looking for the best way to setup my wireless network at home. I have a fairly large two story home with some ethernet cable run to various rooms upstairs and downstairs. Basically I was thinking if I could use some of the wired connections in my home the wireless network might be faster (instead of just rebroadcasting the wireless signal with multiple airports).
In my laundry room (downstairs) I have my cable modem, an 8 port switch and my airport extreme. Currently, the cable modem is hooked up to my Airport Extreme (via ethernet cable) and then I have an ethernet cable running from the airport to the switch. The various ethernet cables that run through my home are then plugged into that switch.
In my office (upstairs) I have a live ethernet jack (one that runs down to that switch downstairs), but instead of having the airport plugged into that ethernet jack I have the second airport extreme just "extending the network". Is there a way to utilize the wired connection inorder to have a stronger signal to broadcast for the upstairs wifi?
I've seen WDS mentioned before, is that what I need to setup? Basically, I just want to know what the best way is to setup the wireless network to keep the speeds as good as they can be.
Thanks!

Good news, you can use Ethernet to connect the Apple routers together.
Perform a Hard Reset on the upstairs AirPort Extreme by holding in the reset button for 9-10 seconds and then releasing. Allow a full minute for the Extreme to restart to a slow, blinking amber light.
Connect the Ethernet cable to the WAN "O" port on the AirPort. ( I assume that you have tested the cable by connecting a computer to it directly to make sure that it is working).
Click the AirPort icon at the top of the screen on the Mac
Wait a few seconds for a listing of New AirPort Base Station to appear
Just below that, click on AirPort Extreme (the example below shows an AirPort Express)
AirPort Setup will open up automatically and take a minute to analyze the network, then announce that the AirPort will be configured to extend your other AirPort router.
Enter a device name that you want to use for the AirPort...(you can use the same device name as before if you wish), then click Next.
Now AirPort Setup will indicate that the AirPort is being configured to extend using Ethernet.
When you see the message of Setup Complete, click Done
You are all set.

Airport Extreme & Express "extended" but signal is still weak

I have a brand new Airport Extreme 802.11n and an old Airport Express 802.11g
Airport Extreme is set to "extend wireless network"
Airport Express is set to "join a wireless network" - green light is on and says its connected to the network.
Airport Extreme is downstairs at home, Airport Express is upstairs. Also have Apple TV upstairs.
Apple TV is only getting a two bar signal at the moment from Airport Extreme (and takes forever to transfer files from main computer downstairs). Want to extend network by plugging in Airport Express upstairs and getting stronger signal for Apple TV.
Yet when I plug in Airport Express upstairs - right next to Apple TV - and the green light is on, etc. Apple TV still is only getting two-bar signal - so it appears it's not picking up "extended network" via Express.
Isn't this how an extended network is supposed to work or do I have it all wrong?
THANKS!

Joining a network using the older "b/g" model will not extend the network.
In the case you describe, your Apple TV is connected to the main base station and so is your Airport Express. The Apple TV cannot connect to the Airport Express.
Also, if you do set up the WDS, you would want to put the Airport Express about half way between your main base station and the Apple TV...
If you want to stay with your old Airport Express, you will have to set up a "WDS" network on both devices. However, the speed of your network will be cut down to 54mbps instead of 130 on 2.4GHz band or 300 on the 5GHz band.
I replaced my older Airport Express units with the newer "n" models.
See this Apple doc on how to set up WDS for the older units.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2044?viewlocale=en_US
Also see this document.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1515

Airport Extreme & Express w/ N working with Airport Base & Express w/ G

I have an Airport Extreme and an Airport Express with N. I also have an older Airport Base Station and Airport Express with G. I currently have them set up as a WDS.
My internet connection is 15 Mbps, but I'm only getting about 10 Mbps for wireless at the best of times. (I checked and when I plug directly into my router, I can get 15 Mbps).
From what I've been reading, it seems that having a WDS for 4 devices (with its 50% reduction per unit) is a bad idea, and might be cause for the slowdown.
Also, from what I've read, since my Airport Extreme does not have the dual network capability, my network is also forced to run at G speeds.
I need the two G airports on my system because I need them as wireless routers to support a stereo/Xbox in one room, and a Blu-ray player in another.
Setting up a dual-band 2.4 and 5 Ghz network won't work since the old and new Base stations aren't near each other.
So, is the solution here to reset all (except Airport Extreme Base) to "extending wireless network"? Will this give me N thought my home (or, at least, the range of the main router) but also allow the G units that serve as wireless routers for those items that still need them?
If this isn't the answer, what should I do?
Thanks for your help.

So, is the solution here to reset all (except Airport Extreme Base) to "extending wireless network"? Will this give me N thought my home (or, at least, the range of the main router) but also allow the G units that serve as wireless routers for those items that still need them?
You can't do that since your 802.11g AirPort Extreme base station (AEBS) and AirPort Express (AX) do not support this feature.
If this isn't the answer, what should I do?
Connect them all via Ethernet. Another is to replace your 802.11g AEBS and AX.

Airport extreme, express,and iTunes

I have a 1.33ghz iBook, an airport extreme base station and an airport express that I have configured to use to play itunes through my stereo at home. when I jack my ibook directly into the stereo ituns works flawlessly, but when I play itunes wirelessly through the network the program keeps pausing for up to about 5 seconds. The program will then resume playing by itself picking up right where it left off, as far as I can tell. I also have a wintel xp machine at home that is connected directly into the airport extreme, and it does the same thing. Any ideas?

Thanks, I found the topic at "audio drop while using airtunes". Now I only wish that after spending the money to buy the gear that apple adveritsed to have an airtunes network, that it actually worked without having to come up with some jury rigged set up. This kind of stuff is why I switched from wintel last year to apple

Windows 7 machine unable to connect to WDS (Airport extreme + express)

Hi - I've just dusted down my old Airport Extreme (b/g) and Airport Express to extend the range of a Sagem Mini Livebox router (that we use because it gives internet telephone and tv feeds here in France).
The AExt has an ethernet connection to the livebox and is set up as the main WDS machine; the AExp is connected wirelessly to the AExt as a WDS relay station. It all works fine - I've set the airport wifi network up with a different name to the main livebox wifi network, and can access it using my Mac machines all over the house. But my wife has a Windows 7 machine that she uses for work ... and it fails to see the airport network (but is able to connect to the livebox wifi without any problem).
I don't know Windows 7 very well, and there seem to be very few options that you can configure. The wifi adaptor is a Dell 1390 (only b/g connections according to an online manual); but the old airport boxes only support b/g compatible connections, so that should work.
I've set up a wireless network on the W7 machine that matches the airport profile: WPA personal security ... but my understanding is that this will not change whether the W7 machine can see the airport network (but only affect how or whether it connects).
Not sure what else I can do? Any thoughts on how I can reconfigure my airport WDS network so that the W7 machine can see it (and connect to it)?
Thanks - andy

Are you trying to configure the Express to "join" the wireless network?
If yes, the message you are receiving is likely an indication that you do not have the correct security settings selected for the Express. Unless the security settings between the wireless router and Express match up exactly, the Express will display the error that "an error occurred, etc".
The easiest way to confirm if you have this problem is temporarily set the main wireless router to "no security" and try to connect the Express that way. If you can connect, then you know that it is a security issue.
Please tell us the exact setting for security that the wireless router there is using and we'll try to give you some more ideas.
The Express will connect. It's just a matter of finding the right settings.
Message was edited by: Bob Timmons

One Wireless network, Multiple Airport Extremes

What I would like to do is set up a single network SSID using lets say 4 Airport Extremes (5th gen) in an office environment. All of these Airports would have direct ethernet connections to the switch. Is this possible with the 802.11n spec and the newer Airport Extremes?? It would make my life a lot easier if I could have one SSID and one password to administer for my users instead of 4 different SSID's.
Back in the day of 802.11g there was a way, with Airport Extremes to create a WDS (although a bit slow), now in the days of 802.11n, WDS is not a good way to go as it hamstrings the bandwidth of the unit.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
-Erik

Is this possible with the 802.11n spec and the newer Airport Extremes??
Sure, you will be setting up what is known as a "roaming" network. Computers will stay on the same network as they "roam" from one area to another and automatically switch to the wireless access point that is providing the best signal.
This is the absolute best way to setup a wireless network for maximum bandwidth.
The basics here would include configuring each AirPort Extreme to "Create a wireless network" using the same wireless network name (SSID), same security settings and same wireless network password. Make sure that each AirPort Exteme is configured in Bridge Mode to allow the configuration to operate properly.
If you need step by step details, post back to let us know what operating sysem the Mac or PC is running that will be used to configure the AirPort Extemes.

Change password airport extreme+express

I have an airport extreme and two express for wideout. I wanna change my wifi-password. How to easily do that? I have tried to use Airport and changed the wifi-password in the extreme. But then the express goes away with yellow sign with !. How to do this?

Change to the password that you want to use on one AirPort Express
Click Update to store the new setting
Wait a full minute for the Express to restart with a slow, blinking amber light
Power off the Express
Change to the password that you want to use on the other AirPort Express
Click Update to store the new setting
Wait a full minute for the Express to restart with a slow, blinking amber light
Power off the Express
Change to the password that you want to use on the AirPort Extreme
Click Update to store the new setting
Wait a full minute for the AirPort Extreme to display a green light
Power up one AirPort Express and wait a minute for a green light
Power up the other AirPort Express and wait a minute for a green light

Multiple airport Extremes and RADIUS

I've got a rather large network of Airport Extreme Base stations. 7 to be exact. Currently they're authenticated via WPA. I'd like to upgrade them to use the RADIUS service in OS X Server. (fully up to date)
Can someone who has set this up in practice share some experience and things to watch for?
Right now, I'm using a DLink DFL-210 router, DHCP Server on the Mac OS X Server, and Open Directory, also on the Mac Server. As far as I understand, I will not be able to set up the Base Stations with this configuration as the airport needs to be set up in DHCP and NAT mode in order to perform the setup. (the server won't see the Airports unless they're in this mode)
Also, as far as I understand, it seems that I'll need to have the airport extreme also be the router!
Is it possible to set up the first or multiple ones on an "mock" network, then move it over? What will I have to watch for when I install it on the new system? Certificates are going to be an issue as well, won't they?

Hi gracoat,
I've got a similar setup to you. I currently run 8 airport extreme wifi routers (various generations) at our offices and everything is behind a primary sonicwall hardwired firewall router. What you will need to do is actually activate RADIUS on the OS X server and then manually setup each airport extreme to use WPA2 Enterprise for their wifi security. Then you will enter your os x server address into each airport for the WPA2 Enterprise settings.
A great video on how to activate RADIUS on an OS X server 10.8: https://vimeo.com/53774350#
Instructions on how to configure the airports with the Airport Utility: http://support.apple.com/kb/PH5129

Issues with Airport Extreme/Express/PS3 network

I have searched and searched and cannot find the answer to my problem. In my house I have an Airport Extreme, a Linksys switch, and an Airport Express all creating my wireless/ethernet network in the house. Since day one, my PS3 joined our network and I have been able to get online, no problems. Recently though I have decided to attempt to get the horribly difficult NAT type 2 with no success.
Right not I have the Extreme acting as the WDS main and the Express (which delivers perfect connection to the PS3) acting as a WDS remote in Bridge mode. The Extreme is sharing a public IP and I have a DHCP reservation for my PS3 (using the default 10.0.1.253 IP) along with all the PS3 necessary ports forwarded. I have also set up the Extreme to set my PS3 as the default NAT host.
My problem is that I get a "Conflicting DHCP Range" error. I also get a lot of warning messages every now and then saying "10.0.1.x is already in use by *MAC address* 10.0.1.1". I still can get on the internet with my computers and PS3 but I have noticed that signing onto PS network works very rarely.
I absolutely cannot make sense of this. I also don't have my NAT 2 so can anyone help me.

Is the PS3 connected to the express over WiFi or plugged into the ethernet port on the express or both?
You should not need forward ports and set the default NAT host. Just setting the default NAT host will forward all traffic that is not sent to another host to the PS3. I would recommend forwarding ports instead of using default host for security reasons.
You could also try setting static IP info in the PS3.

Fios+Moch+Multiple Airport Extreme/Express Units

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