Firewire 800 + many external drives

Hi there,
I have 3 existing WD external drievs running from my Firewire 800 port. They are currently daisy chained and work fine.
I bought another one today, and starting to feel there might be a problem if I was to plug another drive in of a total 4.
Can someone tell me what is the limit to this and if there is any danger of short circuiting or losing data if I added more drives?
Thanks
C

Hi The Mac Clam,
FireWire can technically support up to 63 devices in a daisy chain but I can't imagine you'd get any sort of reasonable data throughput at that range. With that being said, 4 will absolutely work with the understanding that the more you keep adding on the overall data throughput will being degrade.

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