FIRST GEN MAC PRO AND THE 8800GT

I am just about to press the BUY NOW button.
will the 8800gt upgrade kit work on my mac pro?
Pretty sure is was bought in 2007
the spec is:
Model Name: Mac Pro
Model Identifier: MacPro1,1
Processor Name: Dual-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 2 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per processor): 4 MB
Memory: 5 GB
Bus Speed: 1.33 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MP11.005C.B08
SMC Version: 1.7f10
Also...
When they say upgrade kit - it is just a standalone card right?
I don't need any other card to work with this?
Thanks Dan
ps - sorry for being a total tech novice

Re the statement in Barefeats' 2600 vs 8800 test that the latter's 3D advantage should also apply when used in pro apps using OpenGL (like After Effects preview), there are those who claim frame rate is mainly a result of the amount of RAM installed and not the video card used:
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/919134 (older article though).
Then there is the finding by Barefeats - much to 8800 users' irritation/confusion - that the 8800 is not great at pro applications (that's the Harper10 link Hatter included).
I can only say I'm real happy with the 8800 and that it hasn't let me down once so far.
Here are some further links:
http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/systemreqs/
http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/opengl.html
/p
Cinema 4D was just recently updated btw: http://www.maxon.net/pages/dynfiles/dyn_htx/htx/2400/0240002401.html
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*Option 2 (the only solution if the cards have to be installed in the first 2 slots):*
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Slot-4: x4
You still have the issue of the 8800 only running at x8 (if it even makes a difference, not sure). The benefit I see here is that instead of the X1900 XT dumping all of it's heat in to the 8800 GT (since heat rises) you have the 8800 GT on the bottom where it might run cooler. The X1900 XT would then also be limited to x8 but it's not even being used for gaming so it wouldn't matter at all. The X1900 XT is huge and would cover up Slot-3 but I don't use the other 2 slots so I don't mind.
*Option 3 (only works if Slot-3 can actually power an X1900 XT):*
Slot-1: x16 - GeForce 8800 GT - 30" monitor for major tasks / gaming
Slot-2: x1
Slot-3: x4 - Radeon X1900 XT - 2 x 20" monitors for minor tasks / programs
Slot-4: x4
This seems ideal only because this is the only setup that can get the 8800 to run at x16. The issue now is can Slot-3 run a high-power card? The card doesn't really NEED the power since it's just for running basic apps and not gaming. Again, the X1900 would cover up Slot-4 but it's not being used so no worries there.
*At the end of the day, the most important thing to figure out is:* where can high-power cards be installed in a first-gen mac pro? Once we know that we can figure out Question 2. The instructions that come with the 8800 GT say it can be installed in any of the 4 slots, but I don't know if I really believe that.
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Thanks for your help, I think we've beat this horse to death :P. I'm glad I got it all figured out though.
Now the only question is if the gaming performance of the 8800 is actually enough better than the X1900 to warrant making it my "primary" video card. As long as Adobe CS3 apps don't rely on core image like some of the Apple Pro apps do I think it will be fine. If they do I'd have to probably just stick with the X1900 since I use CS3 every single day and only play video games once a week if I'm lucky.
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i'm debugging a problem system, a first gen mac pro, that has a 7300gt
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