"Fit" View in Develop Module Blury

Hello,
I've looked through the threads and can't seem to find others with this problem, so hope someone can help.
I'm working with 16bit scans of 4x5 film at full Imacon resolution. Big 400mb files. A reduced magnification is important to see the enitre image. I work in Fit view most of the time.
This problem started immediately with Lightroom 3. Lightroom 2 was perfectly fine with these files.
When working in "Fit" view in the develop module, whenever I make an adjustment (any adjustment, it could be as simple as changing the fill light), the preview switches to a low resolution blury preview and doesn't refresh to a sharp view. I have to switch to another zoom level, or another image, and back to get the screen to refresh.
This is increadibly irritating and makes the application practically unusable for myself. I'm now using it a fraction of the time I used LR 2 as a result. I'll have to switch back to LR 2 if this can't be resolved.
Please help!
LR 3.2
Mac OSX
8GB RAM

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Thanks for the response. This appears to be more the issue with image that is exported is using the algorithm for the library module as opposed to the changes made using the develop module. The histograms are different when switching between the two modules (Library/Develop) for the same image.
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http://forums.adobe.com/message/3857767#3857767
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