Five months of ongoing timeouts and connection loss

SE PA area. Problem started back in January with bursts of high ping times and timeouts on an old white Westell model with a WRT54g bridged to handle the routing. After several support calls a new Westell 6100 was sent but failed to resolve the intermittent problem. It seems to be aggravated by wet weather but also happens during dry periods just not as frequently. Around March tech support sent another Westell 6100 claiming the first one went bad. Problems continued intermittently as they've always been.
After a couple more calls to tech support they claimed the second Westell 6100 might be causing the problem and sent an Actiontec GT704WGB. Before getting the Actiontec installed our phone quit working (clicking noise and cross talk) but DSL continued to function with the same high pings and time outs randomly. This was last week and we were finally able to get a phone tech last Thursday (still had the Westell 6100 hooked up) to come to the house. Several hours prior to his arrival our phone started working and talking to the tech he said there was a line problem found and fixed.
While the tech was here, he put a splitter in line and ran a home run for the DSL to help us eliminate any possible filter issues and see if it would help with the intermittent DSL problems. I have also replaced the line from the NID inside with a new cat5e run. Yesterday (Friday) we had a bad rain storm lasting several hours (over 1.5in of rain) and the DSL has been garbage since.
I broke down today and pulled the Westell 6100 and my Linksys WRT54g out of the DSL line and finally installed the Actiontec GT704WGB and it's as bad or worse than ever. I've collected as much info as I can to try to shed some light on this if someone know how to interpret what the results are and can help, that would be awesome. I'm at my wits end with Indias tech support route and after 5 months I don't know what else to do.
Reverse traceroute during problem:
I x'd out my IP on the last hops.
06/2/2012 10pm
news-europe.giganews.com
1 vl201.gw2.ams.giganews.com (216.196.110.2) 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms
2 208.174.49.145 (208.174.49.145) 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms
3 cr2-tengig-0-5-1-0.frankfurtft3.savvis.net (204.70.207.209) 7 ms 9 ms 7 ms
4 cr2-ten-0-8-0-0.NewYork.savvis.net (204.70.195.22) 88 ms 88 ms 88 ms
5 er2-tengig-8-8.newyork.savvis.net (204.70.224.249) 87 ms 87 ms 87 ms
6 0.xe-9-2-0.BR2.NYC4.ALTER.NET (204.255.168.89) 94 ms 94 ms 94 ms
7 0.ae2.NY5030-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.NET (152.63.18.74) 110 ms 96 ms 88 ms
8 ge-7-1-0-0.PHIL-CORE-RTR2.verizon-gni.net (130.81.20.139) 88 ms 88 ms 88 ms
9 A4-0-0-1723.PHIL-DSL-RTR7.verizon-gni.net (130.81.11.234) 88 ms 88 ms 88 ms
10 pool-xx-xx-xxx-xxx.phil.east.verizon.net (xx.xx.xx.xxx) 1736 ms 1714 ms 1593 ms
06/2/2012 10:03pm
news.giganews.com
1 gw1-g-vlan201.dca.giganews.com (216.196.98.4) 2 ms 0 ms 0 ms
2 g3-0.bb1.dca.giganews.com (216.196.96.62) 25 ms 54 ms 0 ms
3 xe-8-0-7.ar2.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.10.97) 4 ms 1 ms 1 ms
4 TenGigE0-1-0-0.GW7.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.179.50.73) 5 ms TenGigE0-2-4-0.GW7.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.179.50.93) 0 ms TenGigE0-1-0-0.GW7.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.179.50.73) 0 ms
5 0.xe-0-1-0.XL4.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.93) 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms
6 0.ge-11-0-0.RES-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.net (152.63.30.10) 0 ms 0.so-9-3-0.RES-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.net (152.63.37.122) 0 ms 0.xe-15-1-0.RES-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.NET (152.63.3.54) 0 ms
7 ge-7-1-0-0.PHIL-CORE-RTR2.verizon-gni.net (130.81.20.139) 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms
8 A4-0-0-1723.PHIL-DSL-RTR7.verizon-gni.net (130.81.11.234) 11 ms 9 ms 8 ms
9 pool-70-16-xxx-xxx.phil.east.verizon.net (70.16.xxx.xxx) 1206 ms 1339 ms 1661 ms
news-europe.giganews.com
1 vl201.gw2.ams.giganews.com (216.196.110.2) 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms
2 208.174.49.145 (208.174.49.145) 31 ms 0 ms 0 ms
3 cr2-tengig-0-5-1-0.frankfurtft3.savvis.net (204.70.207.209) 7 ms 7 ms 6 ms
4 cr2-ten-0-8-0-0.NewYork.savvis.net (204.70.195.22) 88 ms 88 ms 88 ms
5 er2-tengig-8-8.newyork.savvis.net (204.70.224.249) 87 ms 87 ms 87 ms
6 0.xe-9-2-0.BR2.NYC4.ALTER.NET (204.255.168.89) 94 ms 94 ms 94 ms
7 0.ae2.NY5030-BB-RTR2.verizon-gni.NET (152.63.18.74) 105 ms 88 ms 88 ms
8 ge-7-1-0-0.PHIL-CORE-RTR2.verizon-gni.net (130.81.20.139) 88 ms 90 ms 88 ms
9 A4-0-0-1723.PHIL-DSL-RTR7.verizon-gni.net (130.81.11.234) 88 ms 88 ms 88 ms
10 * * *
11 * * pool-70-16-xxx-xxx.phil.east.verizon.net (70.16.xxx.xxx) 1802 ms
Snippets of ping times to yahoo:
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=76ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=66ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=137ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=420ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=973ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=1410ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=1995ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=3076ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=2058ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=114ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=54ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=68ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=141ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=49
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=52ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=56ms TTL=50
Reply from 98.139.183.24: bytes=32 time=309ms TTL=50
TRANSCEIVER STATS:
Inside house (10pm 06/2/2012) around the time of the above traceroutes and ping snips.
DSL Status
VPI: 0    
VCI: 35    
DSL Mode Setting: Auto    
DSL Negotiated Mode: G.DMT    
Connection Status: ShowTime    
Speed (down/up): 1792/448    
ATM QoS class:     UBR
Output Power (Downstream/Upstream): 11.9/17.3 dBm    
Attainable Rate (Downstream/Upstream): 8352/1064 Kbps    
HEC Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 1/0    
OCD Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 0/0    
LCD Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 0/0    
SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream): 29.8/22.0 dB    
Attenuation (Downstream/Upstream): 49.5/24.0 dB    
At NID (tested a couple hours prior to inside test above)
DSL Status
VPI: 0    
VCI: 35    
DSL Mode Setting: Auto    
DSL Negotiated Mode: G.DMT    
Connection Status: ShowTime    
Speed (down/up): 1792/448    
ATM QoS class:     UBR
Output Power (Downstream/Upstream): 11.9/16.8 dBm    
Attainable Rate (Downstream/Upstream): 8160/1052 Kbps    
HEC Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 1/0    
OCD Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 0/0    
LCD Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 0/0    
SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream): 29.8/22.0 dB    
Attenuation (Downstream/Upstream): 49.5/24.0 dB    

Ah.. I was hoping you'd stop by and chime in. Thanks!  I spent a couple of evenings browsing the forums looking at others' issues and was always impressed with not only your knowledge but your willingness and consistent help to many who post up with issues. I'm gonna have to give you a Kudos on this as it's the best I can do and people such as yourself and several of the other regular "assistees" I've seen help here are what really make these forums/communities the great resource that they are.
As I have a technical background in electronics and electro-mechanical I was able to blow through a lot of good information on what to check and get all my potential infrastructure issues on my side covered before going any farther (replacing my old lines with new cat5 and new jacks, getting the tech to put a splitter in and run a home run for the DSL line). But I don't have much knowledge in the telecommunications end and DSL. Your info helped a lot with shedding some more light on that as well as reading other posts.
I saw the Redback router in the reverser trace and had gathered from other reading that they're older units. I have no idea what if any upgrades will be done at my CO. I am in fact fed from a CO and that fits in with my attenuation numbers as I'm about 2 miles away. From the numbers I estimate between 12-13000 feet on the wire.
A short update since Sunday. Yesterday my wife received a call from a US based tech from the Chronic Intermittency team (I think that's what she called them) and after looking at the line the nice lady was a bit perplexed as I was as the numbers look so good on the line. She was able to determine after several steps with my wife, that we might just be saturating the 1.7Mb we were provisioned at and the modem was just giving up the ghost and timing out eventually. She opened the pipe up to 3Mb and it's gotten MUCH better since yesterday. While it tightened us up quite a bit on the Margin (I was a little surprised at how much the Margin dropped with only doubling the rate) it appears 5Mbps would easily be doable barring no other line issues. What I was most favorably impressed with though was that the nice lady promised to call back and stay with this issue until resolved. She's off for a couple of days which will give us some time to see how much better this one change has improved things but she did call twice yesterday (a call back followup after the original call and bumping up the provisioning to see if she was on the right track). That certainly helped boost my confidence level with Verizon's support a bit...
New transceiver stats 6/4/12 actual stats were taken 6/5 with 54hrs uptime.
DSL Status
VPI:    0
VCI:    35
DSL Mode Setting: Auto    
DSL Negotiated Mode:    G.DMT
Connection Status:    Showtime
Speed (down/up):    3360/832
ATM QoS class:     UBR
Output Power (Downstream/Upstream):    11.9 / 11.6 dBm
Attainable Rate (Downstream/Upstream):    8320 / 932 Kbps
HEC Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 522 / 0    
OCD Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 0 / 0    
LCD Errors (Downstream/Upstream): 0 / 0    
SNR Margin (Downstream/Upstream): 17.1 / 9.0    
Attenuation (Downstream/Upstream): 49.5 / 24.0    
I also found it interesting that the upstream output power dropped so much. It appears that modem was getting a workout at 400Kbps. Downstream held the same.
I'm not ready to mark this resolved yet but it does appear the lady was correct in her assumption that we were saturating the connection as a primary root cause. Interesting...
What I still find a bit of a puzzle is our online habits haven't changed (always run virus/trojan protection as that was one item the tech queried due to the activity she was seeing based on what my wife had running at the time) and yet this didn't crop up until the beginning of this year. We primarily run 2 desktop systems and I use a laptop wirelessly occasionally (yes, I did kill the wireless on the router for a day in troubleshooting). My usage is primarily browsing and email and my browsing is mostly forums and finance based so not a lot of high bandwidth usage there. The wife does have an online game she's played for years and does use Skype and Teamspeak during her gaming, but her gaming habits/use hasn't changed over the years either. I do run the Network Meter Gadget on Windows 7 on all PCs so we can monitor our rate dynamically but it's hard to aggregate that info when we're both online to see the total bandwidth we're pushing. I've watched her sessions as well as monitoring mine and she was by no means in constant saturation. I was surprised at the constant "chatter" Skype puts on the line even with no ongoing conversations. I suspect some congestion at the DSLAM might be in play here as well. We'll see how it all shakes out in the end. I'd certainly like to get the bump to 5Mbps if it's doable and think that might just buy us a bit more life until we finally have to cave to Fios.

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