Flash 8 Pro V. Sorenson Squeeze.

Hi guys,
I have searched on previous forums for exporting a 4 minute film for the web (.flv) I am a bit confused as some rcommend Sorenson and others Flash 8 Pro. Can anyone tell me what will produce the best quality output?
Like others - I have seen some superb looking results on the web, and want to achieve the same quality.
Thanks
Stephen

Flash 8 offers the On2 VP6 Codec which is there latest for compressing video, it even allows the use of alpha channels. If you have Flash 8 you can export to an .flv file out of Final Cut using the Quicktime conversion. You will see a flv option. You can also export from Quicktime itself. The only draw back to this way is that it is a single pass and although you can customize your compressions I don't think you can save them (or at least I haven't figured out how to yet) to use again with having to re-enter the set-up every time.
Sorenson Squeeze is a great compression program but if you wish to use the On2 VP6 codec you will have to buy it as a separate plug-in. Otherwise you will have to use the Spark Pro codec. Now the nice thing about Squeeze is that it does 2 pass for better looking compression and can save your custom settings.
Mostly I use the Flash 8 to make the On2 VP6 files for a quick client review if they are not here in the edit. I use Flash because it is in just about every browser in use today, this way clients don't have to download anything to be able to view the work.
To tell you the truth I have gotten some nice looking web video playing around with the On2 VP6 settings, but the best looking compressions I have done have come using the h.264 codec, it may be a bit bigger file size but sometimes it is worth the extra bandwidth.
Good Luck
Rich

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Ryan
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> Hi There,
>
> I'm trying to convert a QuickTime file to a .flv file
using Sorenson
> Squeeze
> (MAC platform) and my audio is popping when I preview
the squeezed file in
> SorensonFLVPlayer.
>
> The audio does not pop in my QT file.
>
> My settings for the compression are as follows:
> Codec: Fraunhofer MP3
> Data Rate: 64 Kbps
> Sample Size: 16
> Sample Rate: 44100
> Channels: Mono
>
> I've tried changing them around and I get the same
result. Does anyone
> have
> any ideas on how to fix or work around this? I've tried
using no
> compression
> for the audio and it just outputs crazy static.
>
> Is there a way in Flash that I can sync separate video
and audio files?
> Maybe
> I could export video only from Sorenson and export audio
from elsewhere
> and
> re-sync in Flash.
>
> Any help would be wonderful!
>
> Thanks!
>

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