Flashed Radeon 9800 Pro died. Anywhere I can find a cheap X800XT?

It seems that everytime I throw in an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (AGP) that's flashed into my G5 DP 1.8 June 2004 PowerMac, it chews through it within a year or two, ending up killing the card with the infamous vertical lines in random areas of the screen.
I have had moderate success in keeping my last card afloat with an aftermarket fan, however it finally gave in today, when the card completely shorted.
I'm running on a spare Radeon 9800 Pro (flashed) which has the same configuration as the card that died, except this has a lower core GPU and memory clock speed.
I've been frantically searching for a cheap replacement (under $120) for a Mac edition Radeon X800XT 256MB AGP card, but only came up disappointed when I saw the few (and quite expensive) results on ebay, as I can't use paypal (can't verify my address since I don't use my bank often) so my only options are left to searching locally or going on amazon.
I do want to save my Mac, it is a beast of a machine, I love it to death, and I simply want the best for it.

They are quite expensive, some other possible cards...
See japamacs page here on the best AGP cards for G4s & G5s...
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/4B4B7BA2-7ABB-47F1-87AC-B03D379 42BEE.html
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Radeon 9800 Pro died, need a new card

Like many of the users here, my Radeon 9800 pro is displaying the verticle lines of death. Crappy thing is this is the second card I've been through in three years, and my warranty is now expired. I need to get a new card but am not sure which will be compatible with my first generation dual 2.0ghz G5. Is the 9600 comprable to the 9800? Will the X800 work in my machine. Sorry, I really know nothing about these things so figured better to ask on these forums. I'm certainly going to stay away from another 9800 though.
Thanks for the help

AMD bought ATI, so their web site is in chaos, as well as their possible future with Apple.
Supposely ATI is going to make combined CPU and GPU's on the same board.
The fastest AGP card still available in great quantity before the company was bought was the X800 XT Mac edition, with a ADC and a Dual Link DVI port. (can use regular DVI as well)
My advice is to get this card, the DP PowerMac G5 is still a great workhorse, sold a lot of units when introduced and will last considerably longer provided it's not crippled by a poor video card. You should be able to find this card online in many locations or calling ATI directly.
I got myself a 9800, a X850 XT and a Nvidia 6800 GT (the best, quietest, coolest, none available new unfortunatly) just so I can prolong the life of this Dual PPC G5 machine.
Also if you plan to get more hard drives, be aware that Western Digital (especially) has a newer SATA interface that our machines native SATA can't handle very well. You'll need a Firmtec bootable SATA PCI card to bypass the native SATA.
So if your hard drive dies, you might be up the creek, booting off a external drive.
Remember to update your driver software occassionaly, backup data first of course.

Quicksilver 733 and Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB

My dad just purchased a new iMac for himself and he's given his older Quicksilver 733 to my nephews. I'm trying to setup this Mac so the kids can use it to play games like Battlefield 1942, Command & Conquer, Star Wars Galatic Battleground, etc.
The Quicksilver has 1.12 GBs of RAM and a new 350 GB Seagate SATA hard drive with controller. I just installed a flashed Radeon 9800 Pro w/ 128MB of VRAM, but for some reason the computer still seems sluggish.
I'm currently running Mac OS X 10.3.9. I also noticed that in the ATI Utility shows the Radeon 9800 Pro's profile, but it doesn't indicate any refresh rates, which is odd. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,
Kelly

I also noticed that in the ATI Utility shows the Radeon 9800 Pro's profile, but it doesn't indicate any refresh rates, which is odd.
You will only have refresh rate options with VGA monitors.
DVI monitors all default to approx. 60Hz.

Can I replace an ATI RADEON 9800 PRO-(256MB)-MAC EDITION with Mac ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb Video Card For G4/G5

Hi,
I am trying to help a friend whose graphics card has bust.
The old one was an ATI RADEON 9800 PRO-(256MB)-MAC EDITION.
I've been looking on ebay and it seems a lot cheaper to get a Mac ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb Video Card For G4/G5.
Can I just swap them over? The connectors are not identical according to the photographs.
Thanks.

I'd like to thank everyone for all the really useful information in this thread. It helped me solve a similar problem, which I'll describe here briefly in case it helps someone else.
I have a 2004/5 dual 2 Ghz PowerPC G5 and an Apple Cinema HD display linked, as I later found out, with the now defunct ADC connector. The display suddenly started to look like that scene in The Matrix, when code falls like rain down the screen, and I worked out I needed to replace my Radeon 9800 pro video card (I discovered the board was blue when I removed a thick layer of dust).
I took japamac's excellent advice and bought a Geforce 6800 Ultra from the linked eBay seller in Hong Kong, who delivered it extremely quickly, along with the cables to plug it into the DVD drive power source and a CD with installation instructions. It was only then that I realised the card had two DVI connectors and my display needed ADC (I hadn't understood the difference).
eBay came to the rescue again with a seller who had a secondhand DVI to ADC adapter, which Apple produced when it phased out ADC about six years ago but no longer sells. It has its own power supply and looks like a large version of the Mac laptop power cables - and has added signifcantly to the pile of spaghetti under my desk.
Installing the Geforce 6800 Ultra is fiddly, and a bit scary if you're not used to delving into the insides of a Mac, but the instructions were clear and illustrated with useful photos. The video cable has four connectors. Two fit into the end of the card, the other two (linked in a Y shape) form a bridge between the DVD/superdrive and its power cable. You have to remove the DVD drive, unplug it, and then plug one of the two Y video card connectors into the DVD power cable and the other into the DVD drive itself. Then you replace the DVD drive, plug the two remaining cable connectors to the video card and ease it into the old card's AGP slot.
Finally, with the G5 reassembled, plug the adapter's DVI connection into the back of the card, plug the Cinema Display ADC cable into the adapter block, plug the adapter's USB cable into the G5 (this enables the the USB ports on the back of the display to work), and power up.
At the time of writing, the display has been up and running for a couple of hours and all seems fine.
Thanks again everyone for all your help and advice. If it wasn't for communities like this, it would be virtually impossible to solve problems with old but still serviceable Macs.

Radeon 9800 pro 256mb hanging on blue screen

I'm deep in the waters of frustration right now, and am hoping someone here might have the answer.
About 3 months ago I was looking for a video card for me to run motion. I saw the 9800 mac special edition with 128mb video ram had rave reviews. At that time ATI was not making them. So I turned to eBay...
I purchased a card that was advertised as a Mac 9800 pro special editing 128mb. I later found out it was a flashed pc card. The ebay seller told me the card worked fine on all his mac's that he tested it on.
The problem I was having was the machine boots up, I see the grey screen with the Apple logo and spinning wheel. I see the blue screen where normally I see the login progress bar loading the OS. But with this card I only see the blue screen. I hear the hard drive churning, so I am assuming it is still loading the OS, but I cannot see anything. I can reboot in safe mode and the video card works fine.
Well... I assumed it was the fault of the card and that it was flashed. I returned the card to the ebay seller, who sent me another one, same results with that one. I returned the card to the seller and he refunded my money.
I put the money toward the just released Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition 256mb card. I just got it a couple days ago and am experiencing the same problems. I have tried everything... everything I know and still can't get the card to work? Here is a list of what I have done:
With the flashed card:
1. Shut off computer and unplugged it. Removed OEM video card and installed ATI 9800 card. Plugged the power supply cable for the card into the computer power supply cable and hard drive.
Problem Occurs: When starting up, the grey screen comes up with the Apple on it, then the screen turns blue, where I typically would see the progress bar of the system loaded up before the user login screen. I only see a blue screen at this point but can hear the hard drive working for about a min.
2. Restarted the computer in safe mode.
3. Logged in as Admin user and opened the ATI preference pane to verify it sees the card.
When the ATI preference pane was loaded the following error message occured:
A startup problem has occured.
Cannot connect to ATI TVOut Kernal Extension. Some features are not available.
Clicked OK and the ATI preference pane appears.
4. Close the preference pane and reinstalled ATI Displays 4.5.6. Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs
5. Restarted computer holding down AppleOption+PR to clear PRAM. Cleared the PRAM 4 times in a row, by allowing the chime to happen 4 times.
Problem Occurs
6. Shut computer down. Disconnected the DVI plug for the cinema display and connected a VGA CRT monitor. Started computer.
Problem Occurs
7. Shut computer down, disconnected the VGA CRT monitor. Reconnected DVI plug and restarted computer.
Problem Occurs
8. Started the computer in safe mode. Logged into admin account. Opened the ATI Preference pane.
When the ATI preference pane was loaded the following error message occured:
A startup problem has occured.
Cannot connect to ATI TVOut Kernal Extension. Some features are not available.
Closed preference pane.
Went to ATI site and downloaded:
aug2005-radeo-universal-rom-update.dmg
Ran the updater.
Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs.
9. Restarted the computer in safe mode. Changed the login preference pannel to automatically log into the administrator account. Restarted computer, waited for the blue screen, then walked away for about 2 hours with the computer on blue screen, hoping the system was loading or doing something.
Problem Occurs.
10. Put in the TechTools Pro CD, hoping to run some tests on the video card from the cd. When booting from the CD OS...
Problem Occurs.
11. Enabled Root user. Logged in as root and installed ATI Displays 4.5.6 from there. Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs.
12. Shut down computer and installed old video card.
13. On an internal hard drive in the computer. Wiped the drive and formatted it. Installed 10.4.1 on the drive. booted up into the drive, installed ATI drivers, shut down computer, installed 9800 pro video card, booted up.
Problem Occurs.
With the new 9800 for Mac ATI card with 256mb:
With original card, install drivers, repairpermissions, shut down, install new card
Set to restart in single user, give 5 min to see if ATI monitor startup item in user starteputems loads
Hooked VGA & DVIt in together, both showed blue screen
Reset NVRAM via open firmware
Reset cuda button
Take battery out, wait at least 10 min, re-install new battery, press cuda button
Reinstall ATI update 4.5.6
Reset nvram from open firmware
In ATI control panel, selected 'Force Single Display Operation'
Change display scaling to 50%
Download latest Mac OS update from apple & reinstall
Help?

I get dizzy just thinking about it.
I have tried installed a brand new OS, 3 different times on a different Hard Drive, still the card doesn't work.
I had one person suggest that it may be the card is not communicating with the OS Window Drawing module? (excuse my ignorance of what that is really called. I just know there is some program, possibly in the kernel, that is responsible for drawing out the OS windows.)
How can we rule out that it is a bad AGP slot?
•The slot works fine with my 9000.
•It works in safe mode with the 9800.
•I have installed a brand new OS, three different times, still doesn't work.
•I have used Apple Hardware test to test my hardware, the AGP slot didn't report any problems.
I am assuming that the AGP slot is working. Although I worry about it a bit, because by now I have swapped cards in it about 50 times in my troubleshooting.
Here is a link to a complete list of everything I have tried:
http://www.macosx.com/help/qview.php?questionid=19554#54138

Digital Audio G4 and Radeon 9800 Pro

Has anyone had the same fuss w/a Digital Audio and ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition? Been through about 5 cards (lost count somewhat) and constantly getting a display of the video card (with its power connector flashing red) on a black screen. Only by opening the box and reconnecting the power connections, and sometimes reseating the card, do I get successful results, with the Mac booting properly.
No other card (others that I use do not require an additional power connector like the 9800 does) seems to have this problem; all boot properly.
There is a Sonnet 1.8 Ghz Dual CPU upgrade, 2 internal hard drives, a raid card, and FW 800 and FW 400/USB2 cards, but additional power connections for those have been unplugged. I'm good with letting any external devices run on their own power.
Thanks much, to anyone that may have a suggestion or a solution.

Hi-
With regards to the connector graphic, this invariably means that there isn't power connected.
State the obvious, but, have you tried pulling power from a different connector? Maybe try a new extension........ Molex connectors can work loose from the cap, and slide back when attaching to a device. This would give the appearance of being connected, though in reality, otherwise.
Have you tried without any of the PCI cards installed? I wouldn't want to remove the processor, either, though the dual does pull some power at boot. The DA PSU, however, should be able to handle both the processors and the 9800..... unless the PSU has a weak 12v/5v/3.3v rail....
Pulling the PCI cards will clear up whether or not the problem is with power in the PCI bus.
As for posting a picture, you need to host the picture at a site like Photobucket or Imageshack. Then, place a link (produced at the host site) in your thread.

Dead Radeon 9800 Pro please help

Hi,
I think my ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128M AGP graphics card in my early Powermac g5 dual 2G is dying/dead. Looks like it's dropping a bit somewhere as I have blocks of coloured lines all over the screen. THis makes the machine unusable at 1900 x 1200 millions of colours and just about readable if I drop to 256 colours I have tried reseating the board after cleaning it (it was dirty). The fan is still working. I've tried booting from another disk and also driving my Dell flatscreen monitor using the DVI - VGA converter, so eliminating the digital cable and the monitor DVI input from the equation.
My question is this, where can I get a suitable replacement card? I've seen a ATI Radeon™ 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition 256mb AGP for sale on ebay which states it's AGP x 8 - would this work? Any other suggestions for a suitable reasonably priced replacement? I mainly use the machine for photo editing, and have my monitor/printer colour calibrated using a spyder and I only need to connect one monitor. The old card did allow me to turn the monitor through 90 degrees, but I never used the feature.
Another question - could I temporarily use the AGP card from my old G4 500 in the G5 - its an ATI Rage Pro 128 I believe?
THanks in anticipation.
tekno.mage

Hi Alan,
Thanks for the info,and I feel I should add further to this discussion regarding my own dead card.
What was a hard fault (with similar symptoms to the screenshots shown in Alan's link) despite several attempts to reseat the card (after cleaning it - there was a lot of dust in the fan assy) isn't so hard any more. After fitting the card I bought on ebay and discovering it was DOA, I reinstalled my old card, to discover that it worked again all ok - for about a day and half, then went bad again. Further fiddling around with it revealed that sometimes, reseating it will make it work for variable lengths of time. It's currently faulty and I'm writing this in 256 colour mode with bands of lines down only part of the screen. Once or twice, the card has suddenly started working again without reseating it, but only for about an hour.
The fan on the card is spinning (and was spinning even when very dusty). The fault doesn't seem to be strictly temperature related as leaving the machine powered off in a chilly office overnight oer even for a couple of days has so far, never resulted in the card working on power up - unless it's been reseated first. Also, the card doesn't always go faulty when the mac is working hard and the exhaust fans are blowing out lots of hot air.
I'm wondering if the scenario is more likely to be a solder joint that went bad when the card was running with a dirty fan (ie caused by slight overheating) and is now affected by movement (reseating) & vibration when the machine is in use? Either that or it's the dreaded "tin-pest" disease caused by use of lead-free solder where minute whiskers of tin can "grow" and short across nearby tracks casuing hard to find intermittant faults on circuit boards.
tekno.mage

Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb troubles :\

Hey,
I'm not used to post things on a forum but now I'm getting quite desperate. I've been searching and surfing the net for possible solutions but none worked until now.
Sometimes my v-card's drivers hang, or that's what I think. The image freezes, but the mouse can keep on moving (nothing will react anymore and even when I'm typing this, it happened already 1 times). After that "freeze" of about 2-3 seconds, the screen will "click" like you hear when you change resolution in the display properties. After that, the screen comes back and most of the time, everything is ok, except from the fact that sometimes a window like this (mozilla) is resized to 800*600 or 640*480 size .. (not sure)
But sometimes, the screen goes black after clicking and will never come back, only a reset can help this situation.
And sometimes (rare) the screen begins to show artifacts on the screen (not in games, just windows) and this gets worse and worse until you can't see and have to reset.
When anything of this happens during a game, a recover doesn't seem to be possible at all.
-> this suggests it's a driver problem...
Now I've read about fastwrites (not available in current bios - but i heard it's available in the new bios which i didn't upgrade yet because i'm a bit afraid of the procedure as I don't have a FAT system nor a win98/ME boot disk and I'm using winXP pro) which I disabled in the catalyst drivers
I've tried to lower the AGP acceleration
I've tried Omega drivers
I've turned on and off the VPU recover
I've checked my PSU - even disconnected everything but v-card, hdd and nic and my PSU (Antec case) can give 16A/28A/35A in 12v/5v/3.33v rails...
A clean install of windows won't help
Direct X version doesn't matter
And all starts after the first catalyst driver installation after the fresh windows install.
Please help,
If you think there's some info missing, don't hesitate to ask, I'm an experience PC user so you can ask me pretty much everything about anything (I think) and I'll followup this post frequently. Anything that can help me find the cause will be appreciated. Until now I didn't want to return the card under warranty because I know I'll have to miss it quite some time then. :(
PC spec:
MSI 6547 (Sis645) Mobo
P4 1.6A (OC'ed or not, doesn't change anything)
Hercules Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb
Windows XP Pro - SP1

i read that the bios update adds the "enable fast write" function, but at what value is it whitout the update ?
if it's enabled by default, then it could be the problem
but i'll look into the site you gave and try to flash the bios tomorrow
i'll post the results and try the card in another pc if it didn't work :\

ATI Radeon1900 XT vs ATI Radeon 9800 Pro + 30" Cinema Display

I bought a used G5 2.5 quad (PPC). It has two graphics cards one is an ati radeon x1900. In order to use my cinema display with this card I have to have that cute extra little white power supply box, oh joy! My G5 1.8 single has a Radeon 9800 Pro and the 30" plugs right in without need of xtra power supply. Can I switch the 9800 in the 1.8 single and the x1900 in the 2.5 quad? Isn't the 9800 Pro a better graphics card than the x1900 anyway? I don't mind using the power supply on the 1.8 as I won't use it that much any more anyway and prefer less "stuff" on my main "new" unit. Most of my work involves flash, photoshop and FCP.
Advice on this would be much appreciated. (PS. Leopard really ROCKS, just got it!)

Thanks tons for you help. I hadn't opened the machine up yet to see what the heck, or done any research on the quad in regards to slots, guess I was too excited about SPEED! The card/slot type would definitely pose a problem. Good thing I had a spare power supply around for the monitor! Thanks for the input on the quality of the card. I don't know my p's and q's around monitors and cards so I really didn't know what I was looking for in regards to this.
Thanks Again.

875P INF Drivers and Radeon 9800 Pro All in Wonder

Please help; I am at my absolute wits end. I will try to be brief but I doubt that there is much chance that it will be. Basically I have narrowed things down to this. My video card is a Radeon 9800 Pro All in Wonder 128mb version. My motherboard is a MSI 875p. Lately I realized (long story not important) that I did not have the inf drivers from intel installed for my mobo. This seemed to make sense as to why I was having display issues in games; IE Morrowind. So I installed them, and when I rebooted I was pleasantly surprised to find that the monitor would simply turn off right before I could get to the login. Now I have reinstalled windows several times and installed several different combinations of intel inf updates with different version of the Catalyst drivers. Pretty much, if I have the INF drivers installed, I will not be able to get into windows. However, if I don't have them installed (like right now) normal things, like typing this message, I can do, but I can't play any games . From what I have read I am thinking that it is one of a few things. A, it has something to do with the AGP driver/ and voltage setting things. Many people were talking about issues like this with the 9600, and 9800 pro (not all in wonder). So there might be some bios settings that would help; though I have no knowledge of how such things work. B, is that the card is just a dud and I should just give it up and try to send it back in. I am afraid of option B mainly because I know it will take forever, and then I have no comp, and because of dreaded option C. The motherboard is simply incompatabile with the Radeon 9800 Pro All in Wonder 128mb version. Please let me know if anyone has had similiar problems, if I am up a creek, or how to set the bios... Here is my system specs; I will check back to see if I need to add anything. Thanks a bunch.
p4 2.6gigahertz
MSI 875P
1gig ram kingston hyper x
120gig western digital harddrive
21' Viewsonic
Radeon 9800 Pro All in Wonder 128mb
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum
Antec Performance Plus SOHO File Server Case ATX12V
(There doesn't seem to be anything in the Bios updates that will help me luckily, because I want to avoid flashing it if I can.)

Okay, I will try to answer any questions as they came. First off, Windows XP Professional is what I have. I tried to install the video drivers with both the inf update from intel, and the one from MSI installed. Again it crashes at login screen with any sort of inf update (ie agp drivers) installed. Radeon is running at 4x with fast writes disabled, however there is one interesting thing I learned Another thing to note about the problem is when I got to the ATI SMARTGART advanced settings little program (within the ati folder under program files) I can see that PCI write, and read are both on, and AGP read and write are both off. I am not a genius in relation to computers, but how could this card be acting as a PCI card, when it is installed in a AGP slot? Is this because since I don't have the inf update installed, so as far as the computer knows that agp slot is a PCI one? A further thing to note is that whenever I install the video card driver for my All in Wonder 9800 Pro, is that it installs two cards from what device manager shows. One is "ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 SERIES" the other is ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 SERIES - Secondary". According to device manager they are both located on PCI Bus 1, device 0. Disabling one or the other does not seem to make difference. A final thing to note is that I took an All in Wonder 9000 out of a friends comp and put it into my with the inf update installed; it booted windows and detected it fine. Does this mean my card is a dud and needs to be sent in for repairs, or is there some kind of voltage issue? As for other PCI cards, I have a modem that is not even installed at:
PCI Slot 2 (PCI bus 3, device 1, function 0)
Sound card at PCI Slot 3 (PCI bus 3, device 2, function 0)
Again Video Card (PCI bus 1, device 0, function 0)
The onboard Gigabit Ethernet is at (PCI bus 2, device 1, function 0)
Another thing that might help clue someone in is that I have
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
Listed 5 times; IRQ's are 23, 16, 19, 18, 16
The IRQ of my All-In-Wonder is also 16 if this means anything. No conflicts listed of course. Another note is that my onboard ethernet's irq is 18, same as one of the usb host controllers, and it works fine...
I can't think of anything else to add, let me know what you think. Thanks a ton so far guys.

Radeon 9800 Pro--Broken?

I just bought a used dual 1.42mHz G4 tower and put an AGP 128 MB Radeon 9800 Pro in it; it doesn't work. I can't reset the PRAM with that card in there, and so the machine just sits there. Is it possible I need a driver that didn't come with the Leopard install?
I ask because this card worked Ok in my dual 800mHz G4 tower, but that machine died. I had removed the heatsink from the 9800 when I installed an Iceberq cooling fan last summer. Although the card did work for a while, after that, I might have partly damaged it. The AGP slot in this 1.42 machine is on the opposite end of the PCI row, so it's not possible to use the Iceberq. After removing it from the 9800, I had to find a heat sink to put on the card, I wound up using four small copper heatsinks, but between the crazy glue, and all the handling, I figure I won't know for sure if the card is the problem until I ask about this here. The 1.42mHz machine is a bit different than the earlier G4 towers, so it's worth a shot..
Anyone?
Thanks, Greg Reyna

Someone in an electronics shop suggested mixing thermal compound with crazy glue, which is what I did. Nothing else was working, and anyway I felt I was screwed. (self-screwed, that is). You see, I took the fan/heatsink off the 9800 when I got the Iceberq. That was fine for the computer it was in, but as I wrote above, the arrangement of AGP and PCI slots arereversedin this computer. You know, if, when the 9800 is installed, the chip(s) are on the right side of the card, and there are no PCI slots on that side of the AGP slot, there's no way to use the Iceberq. The way this box is designed, the heatsink on the AGP graphics card hangs over the RAM slots. And in addition to that, when the door is closed on this computer, whatever card is in the AGP slot has to slide neatly over the top of the CD/SuperDrive housing. If the heatsink, or fan, or whathaveyou on that card is more than 15 mm high or so, it doesn't fit--the case won't close. So in other words, once I "customized" the 9800 for one computer, it was pretty much useless in the other computer. I'm not sure the 9800 with its original heatsink/fan would have fit the door closing. So I rigged the 9800 with these four small copper heatsinks just to see if it would work--it didn't. If it had maybe I could have installed an arctic mole to blow on it and keep it cool, I don't know, it never came to that. Meanwhile, I'm back with the 64MB graphics card that came with this used machine, and it's running well.

Radeon 9800 Pro fan not working

Last Fall I purchased a used Radeon 9800 Pro card to install in my Sawtooth. When I finally got around to flashing the card with Mac-compatible firmware, and then attempted to use the card, I discovered that the fan was not working. As I recall, the card worked briefly under a light load, but could not handle a heavy video load. How likely is it that the card will work properly when I replace the stock fan (with the Vantec all-in-one -- BTW, thanks, japamac, for pointing that fan out as a space-saving alternative to the Zalman VF here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7785260 ),
or is it quite possible that the card is fried and won't ever perform adequately again. Is it possible that I will install the new fan, only to learn that the card still buckles under a heavy load?

Hi-
With the 9800 Pro, if the card is run for any amount of time without a fan, the chances are good that the GPU is cooked.
How cooked, will only be shown by putting a fan on the card, and trying it.
but how to know whether this is the case beforehand?
Pull the fan and put a replacement on. That's all you can do.
Get a replacement bury frame fan, and replace the fan in the ATI heatsink.
If it doesn't work with a new fan, sell the set as junk on eBay.
You'll get, at least, the cost of the fan out of it.

PM G4 + Ati Radeon 9800 Pro

Hello all!
I bouht flashed Ati Radeon 9800 pro with Zalman VF700-ALCU Ultra quiet VGA-cooler. I'm going to use it with my old PM. Problem is that Zalman cooler is too big. It just does not fit because there is not enough space between VGA slot and memory modules. There is four modules (4x512). If I take one module of, gooler will fit, but then i have less memory. And thats not fun.
Can u experts say, is it possible to use Radeon 9800 without cooler? Or what should I do?

Hi again!
I found one more distributor in Ebay. Do you know is this model (Vantec Iceberq 4 Pro) compatible with Radeon 9800 Pro?
Distributor says that The ICEBERQ 4 Pro is recommended for: nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200, 4200 8X, 4400, 4600, 4800; GeForce FX 5600 Ultra
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S-Video not working on ATI Radeon 9800 Pro????

I've had this ATI Radeon 9800 Pro in my MDD dual 1.25 G4 for a little while with two VGA monitors. I recently got rid of the secondary monitor and moved a 27" flat screen tube TV next to the computer. As I always do, I've got to start tinkering. I remembered that my Radeon has both VGA, DVI, and an S-Video outputs. I simply ran an S-Video from the card to the TV. I can't seem to get it to work. I had never used the ATI control panels so I went ahead and downloaded and installed it. It won't "detect" the TV in the Mac2TV control. What the heck am I doing wrong???? I emailed ATI and they just sent me a form reply to a dead link saying that my system is unstable. UGH!
Any tips would be great.
Thanks much,
Robert

Well, I figured out that if I reboot and only have the s-video attached and no monitors to the VGA or DVI it will work. It dedicates the TV as the primary screen. However, not the best picture. I can't find any information if both the s-video and VGA or DVI can operate at the same time. I'm also doing a little more research with ATI to see if they actually have a true component output from either the VGA or DVI. I had bought a DVI to what I thought was supposed to be component but it was actually RGB component and just gave a distorted image. If I can get that to work, I think it would be a better image along with being able to run both the monitor and the TV as the secondary.
Robert

ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x in Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 PMac G4

Hi,
This is my first time posting to these discussion group... I've been going through related threads and have not found an answer to my problem...
I have a Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 G4. Awhile ago I upgraded the processor to a Sonnet 1.8ghz so I could run Leopard.
I just bough the ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x video card. I researched around and that seemed to be a card that would work in my machine. I even read a review on Amazon where someone had also upgraded to the 1.8 processor used this card with no issues.
I do have an older monitor - Apple Studio Display CRT with the ADC connector. So I also bought the Apple DVI to ADC adapter kit.
I installed the card and do not get any picture at all - I believe I have installed everything correctly. I'm pretty sure I can hear the fan on the video card in the machine. The monitor is getting power from the adapter since the button lights up when I press it - but it does not stay lit -- the monitor never turns on. Using my old graphics card the monitor makes a little "beep" when it turns on.
In reading the other topics I am wondering if it might be a power issue? According to Other World Computing's profile my machine has a max of 220 watts. Although they suggest this video card as one the will work in my machine.
I have disabled the hard drive that came with the machine (too small) and am using two Maxtor hard drives that I added - one ATA (120gb) and one SATA (500gb) that is connected to an SATA pci card. I also have two additional pci cards with usb 2.0/firewire ports.
In looking at the topics here I came across the link about taping the 3 and 11 pins on the video card. Even though the card I have is 4x/2x not 8x I thought I'd give it a shot. That did not work either.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

I don't wish to sound redundant here, but I've been reviewing the vendor's page:
It's OK- I don't mind beating this dead horse....
The maker says such to protect themselves from possible claims that may arise due to over loaded systems and power problems when their card is installed in said system.
Of course, 300w would be nice, but they didn't even specify the PSU rating a couple years ago. The Sawtooth, with it's 237w PSU, used to be listed as a compatible machine for the 9800...... They just didn't consider how far a Sawtooth might be modded.
Within reason, the early G4's (Sawtooths) are capable of using the Radeon 9800 Pro. The GE has the same 338w PSU as the DA (they are interchangeable), so there is plenty of power for the 9800.
One thing to remember, the requirements of the ADC port of the AGP slot are removed by using a non ADC card. This really changes the calculations of the power available.
It's kinda' a long post, but, if you care to get ALL the details, check the following:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7065653&#7065653
I think you'll be satisfied with the explanation.......
Which leaves your second, and very appropriate, point.
The main enemy of all, though, isn't power. Heat is the biggest concern.
Reducing heat/increasing cooling by using a third party fan on the 9800 is highly recommended. The 9800 is a hot card, and the stock fan is prone to early failure.
Adding additional cooling to remove the extra heat produced by the 9800, by using an exausting PCI fan, will also help the PSU provide adequate voltage to the system, by reducing the amount of hot air moving out of the PSU.
Super heated air moving through the PSU reduces the cooling ability of the PSU. A hot PSU doesn't produce reliable power.
So, add the 9800, add some cooling, and enjoy!

Flashed Radeon 9800 Pro died. Anywhere I can find a cheap X800XT?

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