Flashing bios of k8n neo2 plat without installing windows?

hi
my k8n neo2 arrives tomorrow to replace an asus a8v which is causing me problems with my x2 4400 and dsp cards (uad-1 and poco mk2).
with the asus i could use "ez flash" and put a floppy (or cd) with the bios and press a button and the bios would flash.
does the k8n neo2 have a similar function. i have skimmed through the manual pdf but can't see a reference to this way of updating the bios.
or do i have to install windows and then the bios update. the reason i ask is because it is only the latest bios that recognises the dual-core and so if i installed windows, the hal wouldn't be multi-processor therefore only one core would be recognised and i'd have to install windows xp pro over again.
thanks very much in advance for any help.

Quote from: captain caveman on 30-September-05, 02:27:52
wow!
thanks for the quick replies richard and syar, appreciated man.
can i do this with a cd-rom instead of floppy?
1. download the bios file and flash tool.
Unzip them if zipped and have them ready to copy to the cd image.
2. Goto
http://www.bootdisk.com/
Down on the page you find a subtilte called "Bootable CD"
Download flashcd.zip and read the userguide thouroghly.
Direct link to flashcd : http://www.bootdisk.com/kentucky/flashcd.zip
3. Download and install UltraISO from http://www.ezbsystems.com
4. Start UltraISO and follow the instructions from flashcd's readme :
File | Open | Select flashcd.iso | Open | Image windows shows bootable |
Select your bios files in the lower window | Drag to the top window | File |
Save.
To burn:
File | Open | Click on flashcd.iso | Open | You'll see your bios flash
files on the right | Tools | Burn
Then you have a bootable cd with biosfiles
Remember that the bios files will be on drive R:> after booting the cd.
When the cd has loaded on the dos prompt write R: followed by enter
Then write the AWFLxxx biosfile string like you do from a floppy boot

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