Flattening PSD's to Jpeg sometimes loses adjustment layer effects.

When applying the glowing edges filter or find edges filter to an image and then using an adjustment layer such as Hue/Sat or Levels the flattened image no longer retains the adjustments added. The same image using a conte crayon filter and adjustment layers retains those adjustment when flattening. I'm working with an image that is in RGB, 8 bit mode. I've attempted to perform the same operations with a glowing edges effect in both CS3 and CS5 and the same thing happens. Can some help me or explain if there are any limitations existant in the Glowing edges or Find Edges filters?

Here are some screenshots
This is the original psd file with no flattening at 13 percent:
Here is the screenshot of the above at 100 percent:
Here is the screenshot after flattening at about 13 percent:
Here is a screenshot of the image after flattening at 100 percent:
Both at 100 percent seem to look alike but at a smaller magnification appear quite different.
That doesn't happen when I use something like Conte Crayon effects after flattening.
What do you think is happening here?

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