Floating Time Zones messed up in Mobile Me and Published Calendars

Having researched this for 3 years, I'm sure only Apple can answer this... but it would be very reassuring to know if others are frustrated with this too!
FLOATING TIME ZONES, incredibly, are not supported when PUBLISHING and SHARING iCAL!
I travel a lot. I store my flight times and appointment times. When I'm in one time zone I frequently want to share information about my schedule with people in other time zones. ALL I want is to store and share my calendar items with the relevant time in the place they occur. SO I use Floating Time Zones. (And of course usually set my Time and Date for the place I am in)
IF someone reading this learns whether anyone CARES about this - please let us know. There is no real iCal support anywhere else except here.
I have used a Mac for 20 years and this is the first time that Apple has let me down, with no hope in sight.

OK: I am in Geneva when I make my reservation to fly from NY to Los Angeles. I enter a single event: my flight with start time in NY and end time in LA. I enter a second event - a wedding in Los Angeles.
Now I'm in Istanbul and trying to make plans with family and friends. The folks in NY just want to know what time the wedding is in L.A., not what time it will be in NY when the event happens. The folks in Geneva just want to know what time my flight arrives in NY so they can talk intelligently about what time my rendezvous in Manhattan will be....
All I want is to have the freedom to ONLY EVER see the time in the time zone of the event. I want to be free when I travel to re-set the clock to show me the time of the place I am in, without that changing ANYTHING in my calendar display.
Similarly, no one else that I share my calendar cares wants to know what time something in another time zone corresponds to in the time zone they are in at the moment.
I think it should be simple, but I can't seem to do it. I just want to enter the times that I want for the beginning and ending of an event, and for it to ALWAYS to display the time I entered and NOTHING else... on my laptop... on Mobile Me... and when I publish with iCal...
Is it possible?

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1. As I travel with my MacBook Pro that I can change my Date and Time preference to actually list the time zone where I am. Easily done...but...
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