FM Derivation in Case COPA

Hi,
Scenario i am implementing COPA, i am booking the common cost at cost center level and then distribute /allocate the same from
cost center to profitablity segment as per ratio, in that case what will happened in FM.
I have derivation rule CCTr to Fctr.
I am uploading the budget at Cctr & Fctr level and get budget consumed.
OR tell me somethinga about, what is the relation between Cctr & Fctr & Profitability segement from FM point of view ?
Finally i want see the budget consumption report.
So that it will helpfull me.
Thanks
Nilesh

Hello Sangram,
thank you for your fast reply.
It is not about the amounts. They are correct.
I got confused regarding the change of the profit center numbers on the level of the GR/IR.
KR
Thomas

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Hi,
What is the difference between table look up and derivation rule in COPA. How do we inter rellate them in customizing.
Please clarify.
Thanks and Regards,
Ram
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Hi ram,
Herewith i am giving you link i hope this will help full to you.
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Method which is used in the derivation step.
You can choose from the following derivation types:
Derivation rule :
Derivation rules are "if-then" rules, in which you specify which combination's of characteristic values will yield which target characteristic values.
Table look-up :
Table look-ups let you determine characteristic values by having the system read them from any table. The source fields must correspond to the key of the table where you want the system to find the target value.
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< IMG Activity: Controlling - operating concern - sap operating concern template >, the Quickstart S-GO operating concern template>
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Hi Praveen
Rec Type for Variance transactions is already fixed i.e. C and cant be changed....
You can use Z rec types in KE21N for manual postings/adjustments.... Or during external data transfer
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kindly explain me the derivation rules possible ways of derivation in COPA
based on costing based.

Hi,
Please check the following link:
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/7a/4c38ee4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
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My issue is to derivate a field (SEGMENT) from Table BSEG in COPA.
Unfortunatly my customer donu2019t use the standard customizing from the SEGMENT derivation rule, we donu2019t populate the field SEGMENT in the profit center master data.
Firstly, with a user exit (U903 - ZRGGBS000) which is trigger with substitution rule we populated the field SEGMENT in BSEG.
Now I created a new characteristic WWSEG and I canu2019t derive it in KEDR with table look up, can I have your advices please?
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Hi Waman,
Thanks a lot for all and thanks to Dave.
But it doesn't work.
The segment in bseg-segment is filled when posting a FI document.
For reminder, the field BSEG-SEGMENT is firstly filled with a user exit.
We implemented the note 1135567, we created the program ZRFI_OSS_KEAK_SEGMENT adapting the code to our characteristic WWSEG, when we tested, in debug we drop in the Abap code but the structure COBL-SEGMENT is not filled, therefore the WWSEG is not filled.
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LSMW for creating Derivation Rules in COPA

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Is it possible to create a LSMW for COPA - Derivation Rules. When I am trying to select Default All tab to update the field name, the system is not permitting me to default the filed names.
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Hi Phani ,
I think your concern is about updating dervation rule values not derivation rule .
You can cut paste 20 rule values at a time .. so use cut paste .. from excel.. Updating 1000 values will not take more than 20 mins ..
I have never used LSMW for Derivation rule values.. as from excel you can easily cut paste and do it within 30 mins.
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Hi AMK,
As a protocol that is followed on this site, please do provide points in case the replies helped, this helps in motivating the people to keep posting for the queries and also helps in keeping the spirits of the team high.
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Profit-Center derivation in case of intra-company with external P/O

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I work within ECC 6.0 with new G/L and profit center accounting.
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Hello Sangram,
thank you for your fast reply.
It is not about the amounts. They are correct.
I got confused regarding the change of the profit center numbers on the level of the GR/IR.
KR
Thomas

Urgent!! Derivation problem in COPA

Hi Gurus,
My requirement is that i need to fill profit segment custom field ww001 itself while F-02 is used.
For this purpose I am using Derivation step enhancement. In source field i have given temp field usertemp1 and ww001 in target field. Under the enhancement i write the code I_GLOBAL-USERTEMP1 = var1. But req is not fullfilled and ww001 not getting any data.
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hi
directly frm FI is only if you do selection of check box in TCODE: OKB9 for particular GL - after that based on derivation rule system populates the values in the prof.segment - enhancement should be tested you can test the same in derivation before going to test directly thru posting.
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When posting from SD partner profit center is derived and transfered to COPA, so eliminations can take place.
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With best Regards
Sandeep Seth
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Dear Paolo
we have live system, we also have cost center accounting active.
do u know how to active automatic posting in Profit segment through cost center.
For Example, i post document in FB60, i assign cost center against GL expense account, if i assign profit segment the amount reflects in COPA, but i want when i assign required cost center it automatically active the profit segment ?
hope you under stand my query!!!
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MuR!!!!

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BSEG -
> BUKRS                                COPA --> BUKRS
BSEG -
> BELNR                               COPA -
> BELNR
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WWDOC
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The distribution channel gets updated for sales GL when i check the prof segment of the line item, however this is not the case with doscount GL.
I would like to understnad the implication before changing cost element category from 1 to 12 as it runs across system.
Kindly provide some more explaination.
thanks in advance.

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There is a requirement to derive the Characteristic maintained in Classification view(AUSP table) in Material master based on material number.The target field into which the characteristic value needs to be populated is not in COPA(it is a non-copa field).
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COPA-Offset Derivation Rules

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Pls let me know how to create offset derivation rules in COPA
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Hi Deepthi ,
The best way to find out is to check the characteristics in both the release orders seperately ..
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