FM8: File Always Opens Unsaved Changes

Hi,
I have a file in Framemaker 8 that always opens with "unsaved changes." I save the file, the asterisk clears, but the next time I open the file the asterisk is there.
I thought this might be a "missing font" issue and, as a test, turned off Remember missing fonts. This setting does not seem to impact this behavior.
Any help much appreciated.
Mary

I found a very nice explanation by Fred Ridder on Framers:
I think a better understanding of how cross-references are handled will help you under why I say this.
Whenever you open a file that contains one or more cross-references, FrameMaker refreshes each of those references. If the reference is to another location within the same file, the refresh is straightforward unless the cross-reference truly is unresolved due to a missing or hidden cross-reference marker. If the reference points to a location that is in another file that is already open, the process is similarly straightforward.
But if the reference points to a location that is in a file that is *not* already open, FrameMaker has to silently (without showing anything on your screen) peek inside the target file to retrieve the latest information for the refernce. If that file has any sort of problem that would throw a warning message during a non-silent open (e.g. an unavailable fonts message), FrameMaker is unable to peek inside it and therefore cannot find the marker it's looking for. It reports this failure to find the marker as an unresolved cross-reference. If you start by manually opening the file with the missing fonts issue, so that you can manually dismiss the warning message, then you will not get an unresolved cross-reference warnign when you open the original file because FrameMaker can now find the target marker when it updates the cross-references.
BTW, the updating of the cross-references is the reason why FrameMaker will warn you about unsaved changes when you attempt to close a file that you *know* you didn't make any edits in. Even if the cross-references did not actually change as a result of the update operation, the fact that they were refreshed counts as a change that FrameMaker thinks you ought to save.
-Fred Ridder
This makes sense and matches with what you said so succinctly Jeff. Thanks for the help.
Mary

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   svml_dispmd.dll   Intel(r) C Compiler, Intel(r) C++ Compiler, Intel(r) Fortran Compiler   12.0
   tbb.dll   Intel(R) Threading Building Blocks for Windows   4, 1, 2012, 1003
   tbbmalloc.dll   Intel(R) Threading Building Blocks for Windows   4, 1, 2012, 1003
   updaternotifications.dll   Adobe Updater Notifications Library   7.0.1.102 (BuildVersion: 1.0; BuildDate: BUILDDATETIME)   7.0.1.102
   WRServices.dll   WRServices Mon Feb 25 2013 16:09:10   Build 0.19078   0.19078
Required plug-ins:
   3D Studio 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Accented Edges 14.2
   Adaptive Wide Angle 14.2
   Angled Strokes 14.2
   Average 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Bas Relief 14.2
   BMP 14.2
   Camera Raw 8.3
   Camera Raw Filter 8.3
   Chalk & Charcoal 14.2
   Charcoal 14.2
   Chrome 14.2
   Cineon 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Clouds 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Collada 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Color Halftone 14.2
   Colored Pencil 14.2
   CompuServe GIF 14.2
   Conté Crayon 14.2
   Craquelure 14.2
   Crop and Straighten Photos 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Crop and Straighten Photos Filter 14.2
   Crosshatch 14.2
   Crystallize 14.2
   Cutout 14.2
   Dark Strokes 14.2
   De-Interlace 14.2
   Dicom 14.2
   Difference Clouds 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Diffuse Glow 14.2
   Displace 14.2
   Dry Brush 14.2
   Eazel Acquire 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Embed Watermark 4.0
   Entropy 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Extrude 14.2
   FastCore Routines 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Fibers 14.2
   Film Grain 14.2
   Filter Gallery 14.2
   Flash 3D 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Fresco 14.2
   Glass 14.2
   Glowing Edges 14.2
   Google Earth 4 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Grain 14.2
   Graphic Pen 14.2
   Halftone Pattern 14.2
   HDRMergeUI 14.2
   IFF Format 14.2
   Ink Outlines 14.2
   JPEG 2000 14.2
   Kurtosis 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Lens Blur 14.2
   Lens Correction 14.2
   Lens Flare 14.2
   Liquify 14.2
   Matlab Operation 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Maximum 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Mean 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Measurement Core 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Median 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Mezzotint 14.2
   Minimum 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   MMXCore Routines 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Mosaic Tiles 14.2
   Multiprocessor Support 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Neon Glow 14.2
   Note Paper 14.2
   NTSC Colors 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Ocean Ripple 14.2
   Oil Paint 14.2
   OpenEXR 14.2
   Paint Daubs 14.2
   Palette Knife 14.2
   Patchwork 14.2
   Paths to Illustrator 14.2
   PCX 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Photocopy 14.2
   Photoshop 3D Engine 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Photoshop Touch 14.0
   Picture Package Filter 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Pinch 14.2
   Pixar 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Plaster 14.2
   Plastic Wrap 14.2
   PNG 14.2
   Pointillize 14.2
   Polar Coordinates 14.2
   Portable Bit Map 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Poster Edges 14.2
   Radial Blur 14.2
   Radiance 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Range 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Read Watermark 4.0
   Reticulation 14.2
   Ripple 14.2
   Rough Pastels 14.2
   Save for Web 14.2
   ScriptingSupport 14.2
   Shake Reduction 14.2
   Shear 14.2
   Skewness 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Smart Blur 14.2
   Smudge Stick 14.2
   Solarize 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Spatter 14.2
   Spherize 14.2
   Sponge 14.2
   Sprayed Strokes 14.2
   Stained Glass 14.2
   Stamp 14.2
   Standard Deviation 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   STL 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Sumi-e 14.2
   Summation 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Targa 14.2
   Texturizer 14.2
   Tiles 14.2
   Torn Edges 14.2
   Twirl 14.2
   Underpainting 14.2
   Vanishing Point 14.2
   Variance 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Variations 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Water Paper 14.2
   Watercolor 14.2
   Wave 14.2
   Wavefront|OBJ 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   WIA Support 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   Wind 14.2
   Wireless Bitmap 14.2 (14.2 x001)
   ZigZag 14.2
Optional and third party plug-ins: NONE
Plug-ins that failed to load: NONE
Flash:
   Mini Bridge
   Kuler
   Adobe Exchange
Installed TWAIN devices: NONE

For what it's worth I have seen this going back a loooong time. I've posted on the subject as well and have never gotten a solid answer. It just appears as though Photoshop considers it "already open, so no need to open it twice". I believe an uninitialized variable could be involved, since it's intermittent.
I have found a couple of choices for workarounds or workflow changes...
1. You can save the first-opened document opened (e.g., as a .PSD) somewhere. Then reopening the raw file will always open a second document.
2. You could consider opening the raw file just once, duplicating it as a second layer, then use Camera Raw as a filter. Obviously that doesn't avail Camera Raw of the raw data, but its usefulness depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
-Noel

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