FONT BOOK confusion

Dear Folks:
Font Book has:
182 fonts in "All"
77 fonts in "User"
117 in "Computer"
What does this mean? How can I identify and make sense of subgroups of fonts? Do these include the fonts Photoshop installed?
(I erased all the non-English fonts BTW, perhaps stupidly.)
Any help would be great.
Raoul

OS X has three places for fonts:
/System/Library/Fonts --has all the system fonts, leave those.
/Library/Fonts --has fonts for everybody
/Users/*your user name*/Library/Fonts --your fonts.
I move all the fonts from /Library/Fonts to
/Users/*your user name*/Library/Fonts
Then just make sure it stays that way. Sometimes programs will put them in the other folders, but if no one else uses your computer (or if no one needs to use those fonts) it will work fine from /Users/*your user name*/Library/Fonts.
G5 Mac OS X (10.4.3)

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So my Font Book activates and deactivates font properly and other apps react accordingly.
Problem is the On/Off label next to each font inside Font Book. Font Book is completely ignoring the correct statues of each font. So it is stuck on a specific label. If a font is deactivated, and I try to activate, it works fine, BUT the label is stuck displaying 'OFF' instead of turning into 'ON'.
This seemed like a small issue, until i needed to deactivate a font that says 'OFF'! now I am stuck, since right clicking on it says 'Activate family' while it should say 'Deactive family'! Font book thinks its deactivated while in reality its activated!
i can activate but not deactivate since the labels are wrong and font book is confused!
Here are the things that i already tried: restart, check for damaged fonts, repair permissions, run iTools, run disk utility, deleting font book preferences.
Only thing that I have not tried is deleting all fonts, rebooting font book and doing everything again. (i have around 3100 fonts)
how do i resolve this? anyone else encountering this problem?

so after much research, trial and errors and several backups later:
Trashed the fb.db file in my ~Users > Gaith > Library > Application Support > Font Book folder.

New fonts look fine in Font Book don't work in apps

I need someone's help. I understand that to install new fonts I can either bring them into my font book (and chose whether they apply to a user or to the system) or can drag them directly into library/fonts or user/library/fonts. I am looking for some new foreign language fonts (e.g. hebrew - cursive, for example). I found some possibilities - ttf fonts - downloaded them, put them into my font book, they validated fine and within the font book they look right (i.e. as they are supposed to). I then quit the font book and go into my app, and it's not happening. When I go into MS word (2008), they don't all appear in the various menus (e.g. I made a font collection for one set, and only two appear in that collection), and when I go to use the ones that appear the font does not look much different from the latin alphabet font that was there before. So, I then tried Apple Mail and, while all the fonts appear in the font collection folder, when I choose any of them, same thing, my test letters are still in the same alphabet - size and intensity a little different, that's all.
Someone told me that for MS Office that there is a separate folder somewhere for office fonts - is that true - where is that? Also, why aren't any of my fonts doing what they're supposed to do in a native Mac application, Apple Mail, despite the fact that they look as advertised in my font books?
Frustrated & confused...

my test letters are still in the same alphabet
To generate non-Latin text in a modern OS you can't just change the font, you need to change the keyboard layout. Go to system prefs/international/input menu and check the box for Hebrew or whatever you want, plus the box for "show input menu in finder." Then select Hebrew in the "flag" menu at the top right of the Finder and type.
You need to make sure you use Unicode fonts. Also MS Word does not yet support correct Hebrew, so use another app. For that script, Mellel is the best. See the applications section of this note:
http://homepage.mac.com/thgewecke/TypingHebrew.html

Font Book disables fonts every time I restart my computer

First, some info on my computer:
- OS X 10.9.3
- Adobe Creative Suite 5.5 version 7.5
- Office 2011 14.4.3
- Suitcase Fusion 5 16.2.0
As a graphic designer, I've accumulated thousands of fonts. In an attempt to clean this up, I recently purchased Suitcase Fusion 5. I transferred the fonts by going into Font Book and selecting "Restore Standard Fonts." I then took the Macintosh HD; Library; "Fonts (Removed)" folder and added those to Suitcase Fusion 5.
Then I went back, and added about five of the removed fonts back into Macintosh HD; Library; Fonts — just because they are fonts I use frequently — as well as the Microsoft folder of fonts.
Now, for some reason, every time I start my computer (I shut down every night before leaving my office) about half of the Microsoft fonts are disabled by font book. The next day I enable them and everything works well and they all show up in both my Adobe and Office programs, but I'd really rather not play that game every morning. Again, almost all of the fonts being disabled are in the Macintosh HD; Library; Fonts; Microsoft folder, but only until the Ms or so, after which point they all show up as enabled and work just fine. And then there are a couple of outliers I've marked with an asterisk, that are just in the typical Macintosh HD; Library; Fonts folder that are also being disabled, the most confusing one being ThirstyRoughTextures.ttf, because the rest of the Thirsty Rough family is working just fine. (This single Thirsty Rough file is the only of the five-or-so fonts that I added back into my library after restoring it to standard fonts that is acting up. The others show up in all programs just fine.)
Anyhow, does anyone know why this might be happening, or how to resolve the issue? Any input would be great, thanks!
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Adabi MT Condensed Extra Bold
Adabi MT Condensed Light
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Arial.ttf (in Microsoft folder)
Baskerville Old Face
Batang.ttf
Bauhaus 93
Bell MT
Bernard MT Condensed
Book Antiqua
Bookman Old Style
Bookshelf Symbol 7.ttf
Braggadocio
Britannic Bold
*Brush Script.ttf (in Fonts folder)
Brush Script.ttf (in Microsoft folder)
Calibri.ttf (Bold Italic, Bold, Italic and Calibril.ttf)
Calisto MT
Cambria.ttf (Bold Italic, Bold, Italic)
Cambria Math.ttf
Candara.ttf (Bold Italic, Bold, Italic)
Century
Century Gothic
Century Schoolbook
Colonna
Consolas.ttf (Bold Italic, Bold, Italic)
Constantia.ttf (Bold Italic, Bold, Italic)
Copperplate Gothic Bold
Copperplate Gothic Light
Corbel.ttf (Bold Italic, Bold, Italic)
Curlz MT
Desdemona
Edwardian Script ITC
Engravers MT
Eurostile
Footlight Light
Franklin Gothic Book.ttf (Italic)
Franklin Gothic Medium.ttf (Italic)
Gabriola.ttf
Garamond
Gill Sans MT.ttf (Bold Italic, Bold, Italic)
Gill Sans Ultra Bold
Gloucester MT Extra Condensed
Goudy Old Style
Gulim.ttf
Haettenschweiler
Harrington
Imprint MT Shadow
Kino
Lucida Blackletter
Lucida Bright
Lucida Calligraphy
Lucida Console.ttf
Lucid Fax
Lucida Handwriting
Lucida Sans
Lucida Sans Typewriter
Lucida Sans Unicode
Marlett.ttf
Matura Script Capitals
Meiryo.ttf (Bold Italic, Bold, Italic)
himalaya.ttf
MingLiU-ExtB.ttf
*ThirstyRoughTextures.otf

I'm fed up with Font Book and ready to remove it.
Just to keep it easily handy, put the Font Book app on an external drive. All other supporting system files for it will still be on the drive, so using it again rather than a third party font manager is as simple as copying FB back into the Applications folder.
It is essential after deleting Font Book to follow the steps in my article to remove the abandoned Font Book database. Even with the main Font Book app removed from the drive, if the database exists, OS X will keep trying to read and use it, and it will interfere with all other font managers.
which seemingly only activates fonts once I open up that extension
Those are extension panels Suitcase adds to apps they've written them for so you don't have to go to the main interface in order to turn fonts on or off. It's a convenience thing to speed up access to your font sets.
what will happen to programs like Microsoft Office that aren't compatible with Fusion?
If you use a panel in the Adobe apps to turn any fonts on or off, all apps system wide will see the changes in available fonts since that's how it works with any manager. Or, you can launch the main Suitcase interface to do the same thing.
MS Office has an annoying quirk I haven't seen with any other app. It will not pay attention to any fonts you've activated or deactivated after Word has been launched. That's not a Suitcase issue, it's any font manager. Office simply does not keep tabs on available fonts while in use. To see fonts you've activated after Word is already running, you have to quit Word and relaunch it. Same with turning fonts off. Doesn't matter that they're not available any more. If they were when you launched Word, they'll continue to show in the list. Attempting to use one of course doesn't work. It types in Arial, or something, but not what you chose since it can't.
Is FontBook irrelevant and Office/any other program still just utilizes the actual HD/Library/Fonts folder without it?
When font management is working as it supposed to, all apps (save Office) will change the list of fonts you can use as you turn them on or off. It used to be, way back in Tiger, 10.4 (before 10.4.3) and earlier that any fonts in the System or main Library folder were available all the time with no way to control them, other than physically deleting fonts from those folders. This is still true of the System's Fonts folder.

Some fonts are in library fonts folder, but not in font book or in illustrator

imac/tiger/illustrator11
So I have some fonts that are in library>fonts but do not appear in font book or illustrator font list
also no fonts names listed in attributes, when you highlight font in the artwork, (but does list whether it is regular/bold!)
-also when I go about illustrator(11) it gives me info but locks program and have to force quit

Type 1 (PostScript) fonts require 2 files to make them work.
The FFIL files are screen fonts which load into the OS/programs in order to show up in the menus. They should show up as Font Suitcase in the KIND column of the finder. You will also need the corresponding LWFN file which is the postscript outline file. That will show up as Postscript Type 1 outline font in the KIND column of the finder. That is used to render the font on screen and output it.
OSX needs both of those in the same location in order to work correctly. Needing two pieces is just part of the problem. The names of the files are also different. The PostScript parts usually having abreviated names.
And it's more complex than that. One FFIL file actually may have many screen fonts inside it for the different variations of the font family. Then you will need to make sure you have separate LWFN files for all of those.
I know it's confusing. The 2-piece font just asks for problems. Unfortunately that is how Adobe invented them 20+ years ago.
OSX makes it harder by not letting you open the FFIL file to see what's inside. In OS 9 and earlier you could open the suitcases and add or remove screen fonts - even add unrelated fonts all to the same suitcase
Well I've rambled enough about Type one Fonts. I hope my first few paragraphs clear up some of it for you.

Font Book Issues

I installed some fonts and now have 1148 installed, many of which I wish to remove. However, Font Book 3.0 freezes on loading so I am unable to proceed. Your assistance is much appreciated. I am running OSX 10.7.4.

Hi ali,
Not sure if you know this, but FontBook from Lemkesoft is a font catalogue printing utility, not a font manager. When I first started reading Dimaxum's post, I also assumed he was talking about Apple's Font Book.
Anyway, FontBook (no space in the name) has been around for a long time. Back even before OS X. It is confusing when referencing these two apps. A person has to specify which one they're talking about.

System fonts not showing in Font Book

I am using Font Agent Pro as a font manager and am wondering if there's a conflict with it and Apple's Font Book. I cannot get the system fonts to show up in Font Book and, hence, those (System) fonts don't show in Apple apps, e.g., Safari, Grapher, Text Edit, etc., etc.
The only way I can get the system fonts to show in apple apps it to drag the System>Library>Fonts folder to the "Collection" column onto the "Computer" collection. This is fine, but it copies the System fonts to the ComputerName>Library>Fonts folder.
I've tried for hours to get the System fonts to show in Font Book and do it without the System fonts being copied to the Library or User folder, i.e., I want the System fonts to stay in the System fonts folder only.
If I boot into another partition and bring up Font Book everything works as I would expect, and Font Agent Pro is not installed on that partition...
Any Ideas?
TIA,
Geoff
Quicksilver 933, PB 15" 1.67 Superdrive Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Hi PS1,
I am using Font Agent Pro as a font manager and am wondering if there's a conflict with it and Apple's Font Book.
Yes, in a sense. If you always open and close your fonts through FAP's interface, then it's no problem leaving Font Book on your Mac. It will simply sit there and take up a small amount of disk space.
That said, it's still a nuisance having more than one font manager on your computer at a time. Say you disable all of the fonts in Font Book that you can. Assuming the fonts are still in the /Library/Fonts/ folder, you then turn them on and off with FAP. The problem then is which orders are the applications going to believe? Are the fonts active, according to FAP? Or inactive, according to Font Book?
Also, if you double click on any font to quick activate it, both FAP and Font Book will activate the font. So you will find yourself confused fairly often when you deactivate the font in FAP, but they still keep showing up in your applications as active. That would be because Font Book is still holding it open.
So if FAP is going to be your main font manager, then copy Font Book off to another disk for safe keeping (so you don't have to use Pacifist or an OS install to get it back on your system if you need, or want to), and then remove it from your hard drive.
Definitely don't remove the /System/Library/Fonts/ folder! If you remove Lucida Grande from its default location in any way, you will lose control of your desktop. The only way I can think that Taavi managed to accomplish this was moving files around booted to an external drive, or from another Mac via FireWire Target Mode. It's impossible to do on the same drive your booted to. You'll lose control of the desktop every time if you remove Lucida Grande. Although Taavi may have made his/her copy to the /Library/Fonts/ folder. That at least would still leave an active copy of Lucida Grande somewhere, but I highly recommend against that sort of handling of the system fonts.

Font Book and Trash

First. when FB finds a serious issue, does it not load it?
Next. is it possible to extract a faulty version of a font that has several variations of that font inside.
In the "olden" days with ... was it called "Suitcase" or something like that... we could open a font file see what was inside and remove any variations.
If we can't do that with FB, what does anyone recommend. I have a faulty Bookman Bold, but in my Bookman folder all I see in Finder is:
Bookman
BookmBolSwa
BookmBolSwaIta
BookmCon
BookmOut
BookmOutSwa
So I'm guessing it lives inside "Bookman"
If I can't delete Bookman Bold, then my only alternative is to trash the entire font? Or at minimum Bookman?
This all started because I was reviewing my logs and see a number of failed validations. Oddly, I never turned these fonts on, so it seems like my Mac is checking all fonts whether installed or not? Here's an example:
May 11 12:24:09 stevens-mac-pro mdworker[326]: FontImporter: Validation failed - "/Volumes/New Pro/Users/ss/Documents/FONTS ARCHIVE/FFVortex/F.t1".
So I opened up Font Book and started temporarily loading fonts so I could find the faulty ones and then delete them off my drive. But I'm finding all fonts I remove from Font Book after analyzing them to end up in the Trash. But I guess it's just a copy?
Very confusing all this. Shouldn't be.
S

A previous discussion stated (I can't remember who):
A’s with boxes around them is always a sign of trouble with the main system font, Lucida Grande.
Quick possible fix is to remove ALL font cache files from the system to see if it's just bad cache data. For that, you need to use OnyX or other utility which will remove both system and user cache files. A Safe Mode boot won't work since it only removes cache data from the user account you do a safe
boot to. If after that the problem returns, then Lucida Grande itself is damaged and needs to be replaced.
To clear all remaining font cache files.
Close all running applications. From an administrator account, open the Terminal app and enter the following command. You can also copy/paste it from here into the Terminal window and hit the return key:
sudo atsutil databases -remove
Terminal will then ask for you to enter your admin password. As you type, it will not show anything, so be sure to enter it correctly, then hit the return key.
This removes all font cache files. Both for the system and all user font cache files. After running the command, close Terminal and immediately restart your Mac.
If that doesn't do the trick, then reinstall the OS.

Font Book woodtype ornaments font displays as dots

In Font Book, when I add Adobe's Woodtype ornaments to the system folder and then open Font Book, when I view it in Font Book it only has dots for characters. If I open an application, such as Indesign, I get the result. In Font Book it tells me it's loaded. I'm confused why it is just this font that is giving me the problem. I pulled the font from my Adobe Type Portfolio disk, so I know that font is not corrupt. Any ideas? I have other fonts loaded in the system folder and there are no problems with those. These are open type fonts that I am using.
Thanks
Chris

I figured out the problem.
In font book, when you look at a font, it shows characters A - the number zero. There are no characters available so all you see is dots. If you preview by Repertoire you will see all the characters in the font.

Can I delete unzipped font files after Font Book install?

Can I delete the unzipped font files for one particular font after it's installed with Font Book? I will offload the zipped file for maybe future installation on another computer but I am confused whether I need to keep the unzipped font files on my Mac after they were installed via Font Book.

Yes

How do you install to the Font Book?

Im mostly a PC user and have been informally designated as the "tech guy" at work that is all Mac based and we are having serious font problems
We are a newspaper and we need to be able to have the same fonts on every computer. its only a general handful of the more used ones like Times, Garamond, Helvetica, etc... We have a ton of fonts that were pretty much collected over the years. From what i can tell, they all seem to be installed in the Font Book and what i want to do is put them all on the other computers.
I do the option to export the fonts then install them to the other computers but it seems like it only installs the ones it wants to, or will not install all the parts of a single font like installing the Italic but not the Bold.
Basically its a total mess and im exhausted trying to figure out what im doing wrong to something that seems so simple. Does anyone else ever experience this? Are there maybe any better font management programs out there that are hopefully free? We have tried Extensis Suitcase and FontAgent Pro and both just make it more confusing. Just need some major help

Hi blanquito,
Thank you for your post. If you want to download applications, Marketplace is the place for it. You can also access it directly from your mobile via the app.
Hope this helps, let us know how you get on,
Sergent
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How does one use the Japanese fonts in Font Book in a Pages document. Pages has its own fonts but I cannot get the Japanese fonts into it.

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http://redcocoon.org/cab/mysoft.html
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I really don't understand.
The menu item is available :
Maybe, you didn't activate the tool :
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