Font Management Bug

Been looking for a fix to this for a while but can't seem to find any answer, so here it goes. I've been dealing with a specific font management related bug since I updated to Lion. It's an issue involving FontExplorer X 1.2.3.
If a font is activated on my system (via FontExplorer) and I am visiting a website unto which the same font is integrated via @font-face, the font will instead render a bunch of As inside a square in Safari 5.1, Times New Roman in Chrome 13.0, but it will render correctly in Firefox 5.0.1. Deactivating the font in FontExplorer and reloading the page will make it render correctly in all browsers.
This said, I work in web design and it's been making my life horrible since I upgraded to Lion. I have tried emptying font cache, did not worked. Anybody else faced this issue and found a fix?

Actually, I did. It mentionned cleaning font cache, emptying your font collection and starting over, and also that the problem seemed to involve system fonts. I tried cleaning my font cache with no results, same with emptying my whole font collection and re-importing it over. Also, the font I'm experiencing problem with is not a system font.
Guess I'll just wait for a fix from Apple, and use Firefox for web developement in the meantime.

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Confirmed this is being generated entirely in CS5. I opened the font Sabon. I created a text box. I pasted in some generic type I had just made in text edit. I changed the font to Sabon and the paragraph to justify. I saved and closed the document and closed Illustrator. I closed Sabon and opened Sabon from another foundry. I opened Illustrator and opened the document. All looked good. I duplicated the text box over and outlined the type. I went into the font manager and closed Sabon. I opened the original Sabon. DING! Type reflow. I saved as a second document. I copied the outlined type and closed the document. I opened the original document (note the original font is open). No problems. I paste the outlined type (type outlined with the wrong version of the font active) and it lands exactly in place. I open the second document. The type that reflowed now gives me the stupid message about another version of Illustrator screwing it up. I hit OK and the type reflows back to the way it is supposed to be.
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This took me a good long time to track down, and since I didn't find any information here and Adobe technical support was no help, I figured I'd post the result. Happy new year.
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Confirmed this is being generated entirely in CS5. I opened the font Sabon. I created a text box. I pasted in some generic type I had just made in text edit. I changed the font to Sabon and the paragraph to justify. I saved and closed the document and closed Illustrator. I closed Sabon and opened Sabon from another foundry. I opened Illustrator and opened the document. All looked good. I duplicated the text box over and outlined the type. I went into the font manager and closed Sabon. I opened the original Sabon. DING! Type reflow. I saved as a second document. I copied the outlined type and closed the document. I opened the original document (note the original font is open). No problems. I paste the outlined type (type outlined with the wrong version of the font active) and it lands exactly in place. I open the second document. The type that reflowed now gives me the stupid message about another version of Illustrator screwing it up. I hit OK and the type reflows back to the way it is supposed to be.
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