Font organization in FontBook

Hi folks.
I downloaded four Gill Sans fonts that are alternate versions of the Gill Sans MT fonts that came preinstalled with my Mac (the actual font name is Gill Sans MT Schoolbook). My issue is that FontBook lumps the four Gill Sans MT Schoolbook fonts into the Gill Sans MT family instead of saving them as their own separate font, so when I go into a program like Word, only four of the eight total fonts are available for me to use. How can I fix this?
Doug

Got 'em. The issue I first thought of is okay. Since some of your Gil Sans fonts weren't showing up, I figured there may be a naming conflict. But the internal names are good.
My issue is that FontBook lumps the four Gill Sans MT Schoolbook fonts into the Gill Sans MT family instead of saving them as their own separate font...
That's correct. Since the MT fonts all have the same internal family name, they should appear as a group rather than individual entries.
...so when I go into a program like Word, only four of the eight total fonts are available for me to use.
A bit confused there. On the site you mentioned, there were only four Gill Sans MT Schoolbook fonts to download. Where did the other four come from? Or are you referring to the Mac versions?
All total (assuming you download the same four fonts I found), you should have four Gill Sans MT Schoolbook fonts...
Gill Sans MT SchoolBook
Gill Sans MT Schoolbook Bold
Gill Sans MT Schoolbook Italic
Gill Sans MT Schoolbook Bold Italic
...and six Gill Sans fonts from OS X.
Gill Sans
Gill Sans Bold
Gill Sans Italic
Gill Sans Bold Italic
Gill Sans Light
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