Font Outlines For Distorted Type?

before sending my file to the printer, i would like to outline the document's text to avoid font substitution if the printer doesn't have the font available.
to outline all of my text, i first Select > All on Active Artboard and then choose Type > Create Outlines. however, there are many areas of text in my document that contain an arc envelope distortion. these arced text fields were not outlined and i can still reach their editable text field by going down a few layers.
should i also outline the arced type for these fonts incase the printer doesn't have the font available, or was creating an arc distortion the same thing as outlining the text?
the reason i'm asking is because it will take me a very long time to individually process each one of these arced text fields if they, too, should be outlined.

I haven't tried to replicate your issue on my computer but if what your saying is true you should have probably converted to outlines "before" applying the envelope distortion. I am not sure if you can save the distortion settings as a preset but if you can then it would be a matter of saving the presets for each arc instance, removing the current instance, outlining the text, and then reapplying it. I know it will take some time but when sending something to the printer you definitely don't want to take chances.
The other option is setting up your preflight options in Acrobat properly so that when you save the Illustrator PDF you will embed all of the fonts and you don't have to worry about outlining the fonts.

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