Font Size confusion

Hello, I am an intermediate user of photoshop and am having trouble with the font point size (and line spacing) when I try and add a text layer.
In a docuement 500x500 I am trying to write a text layer but size 18pt font is appear incredibly large (like 300pt or so) and for the font to appear "normal" on screen I need to set the font size to 0.51 pt and the line spacing to 0.51 as well.
Did I accidentally change a setting?
I did recently download Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 for a trial period. Could that have changed something?
Thank you!

It sounds like you want pixel sizes, not point sizes.
Points are a physical measure, like inches and centimeters. So the actual pixel count is relative to the resolution of the document.

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