Footnote Anchors?

When I open a Word doc with footnotes in FrameMaker, sometimes the footnotes convert properly (shown in blue below), and sometimes they show up several characters to the left of what appears to be a footnote anchor (shown in red below). (I know, there's no such thing as a footnote anchor.) I can fix them, and I can try saving in various formats, but I'm wondering if anyone has direct experience with these anchors, and knows how to prevent them in the future.

Barb, the "wrong location" footnote in your example is at the end of a paragraph, while the good ones are "inside" text in a paragraph. I'd bet dollars to donuts that this is the key reason that some get converted properly while others don't.
As a test if you can go back to the same Word doc, try adding a word or two at the end of the "wrong" paragraph, being sure that your cursor is located after Word's footnote location anchor rather than inserting words just prior to the anchor, and try the import to FM again. One strategy to be sure the cursor is located in the right position is to place it in the following paragraph and then use the left arrow key to move backward, doing just one click to get it into the previous paragraph, rather than just clicking at what Word might show as the end of the first paragraph, because that may be 'in front of" the footnote location.
Sheila

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I am working on a long indesign document with footnotes and anchored objects. The anchored objects have both text and graphics within them and some of them have footnotes as well. I’m having trouble figuring out how to make the footnotes within the anchored objects number consecutively with the rest of the footnotes within the text. Can anyone help?

This is a good reason to add voices to request that footnote numbers be accessible to cross-references, so that cross-references to the hidden footnotes update without manual effort.
For those who don't know, the feature request and bug report is here: Adobe - Feature Request/Bug Report Form
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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KnowHow ProServices
[Jongware] wrote:
It's not possible. Footnotes are counted per continuous story; an anchored text frame is not considered part of it.
When I NEED this, I place the footnote ... somewhere else on the page with the anchored object! You can hide the footnote marker by setting its color to [None], and type a regular superscript number inside the box. Pretty lame, and a Little Hell if your text reflows.

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Unfortunately, no. If the anchor is inserted at the top of the paragraph (where I want the top of the image to be), the image won't flow to the next text block when any other part of the image (i.e., any part of the image that is not on the first line where the anchor is) is beyond the end of its text block.
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When using span columns on a paragraph with a footnote, Indesign places the footnote under that paragraph instead of at the bottom of the page with the other footnotes. Is there a way to change this? Footnotes in Indesign can really do with some improvements, Adobe!

I'm imagining what you have, and I think about a two-column page with footnotes at the bottom of both columns. Then, you have a paragraph that spans columns, and all of the footnotes before the span show up above the span. If there is a way around this without having to do it manually, I don't know how it would be done. Even if you split the story into three text frames (two-column at the top and bottom, one-column in the middle), the footnotes before the split will still be above the split, instead of at the bottom.
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Please could someone help a Silver Surfer - I wish to include numbers in a text document i.e. (1)- (2) and link them to an explanatory footnote/s at the bottom of the finished document. By this I mean clicking (1) in the text links to Footnote (1) at the bottom of the page. I am up to speed with ordinary hyperlinks but am unable to fathom how to do this. I would be grateful for any help.

BL ::
I must be terribly dim-witted.
No, just learning something new! ;)
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Have read and re-read how to use Named Anchors I am just unable to get a connection. I have a document containing footnotes i.e.(1)in the document test which when clicked will bring up the footnote 1.School Farm - (2) in the text which will bring up footnote 2.Rectory Farm and so on.
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1,
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ed linkage location, i.e. the footnote itself, or
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no spaces. None. You could just as well name it rectoryfarm_note or RectoryFarm if you so wished. Just keep track of the upper/lowercase spellings.
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link in the Properties Inspector link field, not in the naming of the Named Anchor.
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=========
... that denote neobaroque art.<*sup><*b>
><*a href="#note_003">3<*/a><*/b><*/sup>
«--- the superscripted numeral
<*b><*
a name="note_003"><*/a>18 <*/b> Jacqueline Barnitz,
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==========
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Footnotes and DDA accessible pdfs

I have been trying to make footnotes produce in InDesign readable, triggered by the footnote number within the text to no avail. These footnotes are not auto generated as I need full page width footnotes in a two column grid so are just paragraphs.
I have tried:
1     Tagging the paragraph footnote number as 'figure' with Alt text of the footnote copy.
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petedenly wrote:
Many thanks Peter for this, I think that the same problem exists with cross-references as well!
Let me try and explain.
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Turning the conditions on and off will reflow your document significantly. I'm assuming that page layout isn't an important concern for screen-read documents.
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Regards,
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Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
Message was edited by: [email protected]
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the largest multilateral recipient of UK aid,[i] with the UK
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The problem is that some of the material in the endnote/footnote is explanatory in nature rather than just a reference or citation. So I need a way to include explanatory text and don't want to put multiple sentences in ( ) in the middle of the text.
I would have to say clearly someone at Adobe did think conversion of endnotes/footnotes is a worthwhile endeavour, because Dreamweaver is designed to do it! You can see clearly from the code snippet that they programmed Dreamweaver to do an import with a very nice set of back and forth anchor references. Just somehow the actual reference numbers don't show up. In fact the HTML code for this provided by Dreamweaver is very clean and nice (contradicting bemdesign's assertion that you can not turn a word doc into a good HTML doc), with the exception of the missing number references!
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