Forever delete gmail items that flowed into mail?

I have two email accounts . . . @mac.com & @gmail.com, with both being available in "Mail".
Question: in "MAIL" how can I permanently get rid of thousands of gmail items that now reside in my archive?
Not sure if this is really happening, but when I delete them, gmail (viewed from their own site), seems to go into overdrive to restore them.
If that's possible - how can I keep that from happening?
btw - Gmail is keenly trying to keep their items from being deleted . . . they want to keep every bit of info on their users.
Regretting that I ever signed up for gmail, I develop a plan to omit it from my life, but for the moment I must keep it open.

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