Forms 5 - 6i migration & object groups

Hello,
Just as test I wanted to see if I can open a form in Developer 6i which had been written
under Forms 5. When I tried to open the fmb in 6i, I got some error messages like
"FRM-18101
source module:refapp
source object: objgrp_xyz"
The form itself contains some class information about visual attributes. But AFAIK
there aer no *.olb used before 6i.
I did read the manual, but I have no idea about the "information navigator" that could not be started.
I appreciate any comments and tips.
Thank You in advance, Jan

Thank You, Duncan.
Now I made some progress, but I still did not reach the goal yet...
The error said that refapp.fmx was referenced as a template form.
for all the other forms.
Now I recompiled the refapp.fmb - took some time to find it...
Refapp.fmb itself had a PL/SQL library attached, I recompiled it first (which
was causing some conversions in the code: some RETURNs were missing), reattached it
to refapp.fmb and then recompiled refapp without any problems. refapp now can be run
fine under Forms 6i.
But still when I try to open another form that references refapp, I still get the same
masseges:
"FRM-18101
source module:refapp
source object: objgrp_xyz"
What is missing ? I recompiled refapp.fmb, and it is in the same directory
as the other forms I want to migrate, too.
I guess that I came closed to the goal, but after doing some RTFMing,
I still could not find out, what is still wrong.
Thank You in advance,
Jan Gelbrich

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